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Old 03-13-2010, 07:16 PM
 
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Hi All

First time post. I'm open minded and my philosophy is "above all else, common sense should prevail", I am on a personal journey to find answers. Physicists tell us that energy cannot be created only transferred. So let's start at the beginning...How can something come from nothing?
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Old 03-13-2010, 07:36 PM
 
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I don't believe any physicist has ever claimed that something can come from nothing. What came before the Big Bang is unknown. That does not equate to "something coming from nothing". There are numerous ideas about what caused the Big Bang, but they are all speculative at this point.

I do believe you are asking the wrong question though. Why is it that people must make up answers to questions they can't solve at that point in time? When we didn't understand what caused tidal waves, droughts, earthquakes, etc, we attributed them to gods. Now people are doing the same thing with the universe. The god of the gaps argument didn't hold up then and it doesn't hold up now.
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Old 03-13-2010, 07:36 PM
 
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Hi All

First time post. I'm open minded and my philosophy is "above all else, common sense should prevail", I am on a personal journey to find answers. Physicists tell us that energy cannot be created only transferred. So let's start at the beginning...How can something come from nothing?
(Your stats show you have posted 24 times -- may not be here on this forum)

Before you ask "how" question, you have made a presumption that there was nothing at one point, then there was something. Why do you presume such?
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Old 03-13-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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Before you ask "how" question, you have made a presumption that there was nothing at one point, then there was something. Why do you presume such?
I don't. I never stated what I believe other than common sense should prevail I'd like to know other peoples thoughts is all.
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:03 PM
 
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I don't. I never stated what I believe other than common sense should prevail I'd like to know other peoples thoughts is all.
Common sense does not presume there is nothing at one point in time (a wall in time separating nothing versus everything).

Anyway, one can not ask "how" until we are settled with your presumption.

(Also, in terms of "common sense", which kind of people's "common sense"?)
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:05 PM
 
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I don't believe any physicist has ever claimed that something can come from nothing. What came before the Big Bang is unknown. That does not equate to "something coming from nothing". There are numerous ideas about what caused the Big Bang, but they are all speculative at this point.

I do believe you are asking the wrong question though. Why is it that people must make up answers to questions they can't solve at that point in time? When we didn't understand what caused tidal waves, droughts, earthquakes, etc, we attributed them to gods. Now people are doing the same thing with the universe. The god of the gaps argument didn't hold up then and it doesn't hold up now.
I know it is speculation but to leave it hanging there is unscientific and just plain boring. I don't accept most things at face value and why should I?
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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Well, Muslims believe Allah used his magic fingers made everything, Christians believe God used his magic fingers made everything, Buddhists believe Buddha used his woody made everything ...
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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I know it is speculation but to leave it hanging there is unscientific and just plain boring.
It is scientific to say you don't know until more evidence is available. And I think you made it pretty clear that you're content with just having an answer even if it isn't the correct one (as evidenced by the bolded words). You are not seeking truth, but comfort.
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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Common sense does not presume there is nothing at one point in time (a wall in time separating nothing versus everything).

Anyway, one can not ask "how" until we are settled with your presumption.

(Also, in terms of "common sense", which kind of people's "common sense"?)
What presumption? Common sense is just common sense it is seeing something for what it is. I'm not going to argue about the structure of my post or the positioning of my words within my sentences. I have made a straight forward question so stop being such a politician and either answer the question or don't post.
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Old 03-13-2010, 08:14 PM
 
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Well, Muslims believe Allah used his magic fingers made everything, Christians believe God used his magic fingers made everything, Buddhists believe Buddha used his woody made everything ...
Ha Ha
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