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Old 03-21-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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It was ABC new who listed the "500,000 and growing" children abused by the church. It was the first they said about the abuse in Germany, and I think they more than made up for the long silence night before last.
The Jesus statement makes no sense even if I believed he existed, which I do not, saying he lied would not fit here as; he would have been dead 2000 years. If he did not exist it would be like saying the Easter Rabbit lied.
Do you have a link to the article or video by ABC?
500,000 does seem to be alot, did it say over how many years?
I think if it was over a long period of time 50+ years, worldwide I think the numbers would tend to be high although I would hate to think they were as high as you mentioned.
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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Do you have a link to the article or video by ABC?
500,000 does seem to be alot, did it say over how many years?
I think if it was over a long period of time 50+ years, worldwide I think the numbers would tend to be high although I would hate to think they were as high as you mentioned.
It was the ABC Evening news. I think last Friday with Diane Sawyer. You can find it on line under there web sight. I am not sure of the time, Most of the news is going back to the 60's when it seemed to have started on a big scale.

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Old 03-21-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Ireland
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So, the question is, what kind of parents would leave their wards with potential sex offenders?

Answer: Morons

The question you raise is what kind of people attend (and in your case actively engage in) a church of "potential sex offenders"?

But to remain on topic. One must wonder if the pope actually wrote that note of apology or if as seems more likely it was written very carefully by a team of canon lawyers.
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Do you have a link to the article or video by ABC?
500,000 does seem to be alot, did it say over how many years?
I think if it was over a long period of time 50+ years, worldwide I think the numbers would tend to be high although I would hate to think they were as high as you mentioned.
Racer has special spectacles which append zeroes to the numbers he sees on the news

It's like programming:

If (catholic church) then
Append two zeroes;
End If;
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:14 PM
 
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Pope and Catholic Church Under Fire - ABC News
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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Seriously, if they can't take control of the situation, they should shut the church down.

It's just frustrating. The church should be turned over to women. I bet they will do a much better job.
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:21 PM
 
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The question you raise is what kind of people attend (and in your case actively engage in) a church of "potential sex offenders"?

But to remain on topic. One must wonder if the pope actually wrote that note of apology or if as seems more likely it was written very carefully by a team of canon lawyers.
You can stay on topic without resorting to idiocy.

The church is the house of God. The men who run it are no different than the men who don't run it. The foundation of the building and why catholics keep going to the building has nothing to do with dealing with potential sex offenders.

If you aren't catholic, you are obviously ignorant of tradition. No point talking
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:41 PM
 
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You are transfering the blame from those that are directly responsible.
Ted, I'm not. I totally agree that these priests should meet the long arm of the law in their respective countries. And if the hierarchy is active in covering this up, which we already know, and still is in pursuit of this endeavor without an ounce of last minute effort at conscience and reconciliation, they need to go too.

But I just can't get over the fact that the parents had an active role in letting this happen.

More than this, the nexus of victims-lawyers money extortion Inc., which continues to loot money from the institution.

I wanna ask every father or mother out there, and this is directed at me, even, a future father who's looking forward to having children. How can a sex offender come in the path of your child? I see cokatie bhajanas on trust placed on so-called holy authority. Excuse me?? That's just moronic logic at its ugliest height. Where's the paranoia of these parents? How did it fly through the window? Most of the abuse cases I've read about, it's all about the priest "getting" access to the boys and girls.

So..... does that mean the parents actually allowed access just coz they trusted a 50 something celibate old man, just coz he preached from the pulpit? What are these people thinking? Any lifelong catholic will know of the corruption inside the church. The last person on earth I'd "personally" trust is my priest. Of course, I won't mind lunching with him, socializing with him, but will I trust him enough to spend a moment with my kid away from the public eye? Never.

When I was a kid, there were countless calls from the priests to go on pilgrimage trips. Even as early as 12, I was slated to go on a "retreat" tour of several archdioceses, where priests will meditate and altar boys were needed badly for services. My father knew just one response - "thanks, but no thanks"

And, he said no to hostels in my catholic school. My parents moved for my school. They wanted to keep an eye on me and my brother constantly.

He was a paranoid man. His mind worked in bizarre ways. The first thing he would associate with priests was his paranoia that they might have unlawful personal practices. He would even lament about the presence of porno magazines with some of the parish priests. He was way too protective of his 2 sons till the time we reached 18. And add this to my profile of a hockey stick wielding unruly teenager.

But I was watching this movie recently about catholic abuse. It's called doubt and has meryl streep in it. She confronts a mother and breaks open this news of her son getting fond with the priest. She has this long conversation at the end of which the mom is like "so what?" She just wants him to "complete" education, and get a ticket to higher education, even if he is involved in abuse.

It just got me thinking. How many parents would have let this happen and wilted into the demands of their priests. Surely they must have known. Kids don't keep quiet. The first thing they do is tell stuff at home. It's got some amazing returns like special treatment, slashed school fees, other perks.

Or, even if that's not the case, were they plucking flowers when the priests were running buckwild?

The answer is the failure of society. The neglect which they resorted to. They just didn't have the bandwidth to fulfil their duties as parents.

But 30 years later everyone wakes up, hires a lawyer, tries to swing baseball bats at some old man on abuse, and in many cases walk away with 3 million bucks.

It tends to wash away a history of:

debts
mortgages
failures of lives of certain people, and their relatives.

They just found an ATM



Seriously, if I ever met one of these grasshoppers, I am itching to ask, "so, did the 3 million dollar settlement un-child abuse you?" I wonder how that works. Unfortunately, I haven't met any.
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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Seriously, if they can't take control of the situation, they should shut the church down.

It's just frustrating. The church should be turned over to women. I bet they will do a much better job.
Well studies have shown women are less likely to abuse.
I think by nature women would be more protective of children, they certainly could not do worst then what the all male hierarchy has done.
women perform most of the everyday duties of a diocese as it is, of course the jobs are all below the ranks of power that the male clergy ocupies.
Take a bishop out of the picture of your average diocese for a year and it will function normally, it won't skip a heartbeat.
Take the women out of the diocese for just a week and the entire diocese would be in disarray.

What is missing is involment by the laity in the decision making of the Church, after all it is our Church and we are the Church, which according to Vatican II was suppose to happen, right now there is no system of checks and balance.
We would not have had all those pedophiles running around loose if the laity had a say in the decision making.
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Old 03-21-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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But 30 years later everyone wakes up, hires a lawyer, tries to swing baseball bats at some old man on abuse, and in many cases walk away with 3 million bucks.


Seriously, if I ever met one of these grasshoppers, I am itching to ask, "so, did the 3 million dollar settlement un-child abuse you?" I wonder how that works. Unfortunately, I haven't met any.
As I mentioned it was the CHURCH hierarchy that forced the whole matter into court, so do tell me who all got 3 million apiece, many got very little.

From some of the accounts that i have read about, if you were in a room with several victims and they told you their stories you would most likely leave that room with a different opinion.

As far as some parents putting to much trust into their priests, whose fault is that.
It is the Church that has told the people that priest were HOLY MEN that take the place of Christ here on earth, only the priest has the power to change the bread and wine and here confessions etc.

The following is a teaching of the Church


"It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock, those who occupy a rank in the different degrees of the hierarchy and the multitude of the faithful. So distinct are these categories that with the pastoral body only rests the necessary right and authority for promoting the end of the society and directing all its members towards that end; the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors"
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