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Old 03-20-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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When people ask me what my religion is I will usually tell them that I am an atheist. That's because I don't believe that there is a literal supreme being ("god") watching over us and determining if we will go to Heaven or Hell.

Actually, I don't even believe in a literal Heaven or Hell.

I DO believe that there was someone named Jesus (or the equivalent translation of it) that was a great moral teacher and that he taught the morals of his time. Some of which are relevant today.

I believe this "Jesus" guy also used Heaven and Hell as a parable to what might happen to you if you do something good or something bad. (For example; murder. If you murder someone you would most likely go to prison. Prison=Hell. Yes, yes, yes I also know about the burning garbage dump outside of Jeruselum that the bodies of criminals where thrown so, that could also have been a parable that Jesus used as "Hell")

I guess what I'm saying is that I feel Jesus taught about "Karma" like Buddha but I don't truly believe in "Karma" as I think of "Karma" in a more spiritual sense then man-made.

Is this making any sense? Is there a "religion" that I would identify with.
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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Jesus, if he existed, wasn't all that good (or brave) about teaching moral lessons. Despite what his followers say, he didn't say that much that was profound or controversial. You know what would have been cool? If Jesus would have came out and said, "look, slavery is just plain WRONG... Stop it!", Or maybe, "Women are every bit the equal of men, and it's a sin for husbands to beat their wives."... or how about, "Look, God made some people gay - and that's okay. You guys need to stop using your own bigotry against them."

But Jesus didn't say anything like that. He pretty much stuck to the party line... don't gamble, keep the sabbath, etc. There were a few minor departures, but he didn't advocate anything important. Jesus pretty much maintained the status quo.

The most notable thing about Jesus is the things he DIDN'T object to....
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:29 PM
 
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When people ask me what my religion is I will usually tell them that I am an atheist. That's because I don't believe that there is a literal supreme being ("god") watching over us and determining if we will go to Heaven or Hell.

Actually, I don't even believe in a literal Heaven or Hell.

I DO believe that there was someone named Jesus (or the equivalent translation of it) that was a great moral teacher and that he taught the morals of his time. Some of which are relevant today.

I believe this "Jesus" guy also used Heaven and Hell as a parable to what might happen to you if you do something good or something bad. (For example; murder. If you murder someone you would most likely go to prison. Prison=Hell. Yes, yes, yes I also know about the burning garbage dump outside of Jeruselum that the bodies of criminals where thrown so, that could also have been a parable that Jesus used as "Hell")

I guess what I'm saying is that I feel Jesus taught about "Karma" like Buddha but I don't truly believe in "Karma" as I think of "Karma" in a more spiritual sense then man-made.

Is this making any sense? Is there a "religion" that I would identify with.
read Bhagavd Gita you will see that it comes from a totally different angle,its not a preachers book but more of a spiritual science
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:58 AM
 
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When people ask me what my religion is I will usually tell them that I am an atheist. That's because I don't believe that there is a literal supreme being ("god") watching over us and determining if we will go to Heaven or Hell.

Actually, I don't even believe in a literal Heaven or Hell.

I DO believe that there was someone named Jesus (or the equivalent translation of it) that was a great moral teacher and that he taught the morals of his time. Some of which are relevant today.

I believe this "Jesus" guy also used Heaven and Hell as a parable to what might happen to you if you do something good or something bad. (For example; murder. If you murder someone you would most likely go to prison. Prison=Hell. Yes, yes, yes I also know about the burning garbage dump outside of Jeruselum that the bodies of criminals where thrown so, that could also have been a parable that Jesus used as "Hell")

I guess what I'm saying is that I feel Jesus taught about "Karma" like Buddha but I don't truly believe in "Karma" as I think of "Karma" in a more spiritual sense then man-made.

Is this making any sense? Is there a "religion" that I would identify with.
I would say you have a very surface view of the Bible at best. Jesus Christ was the person who fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament. A thousand years before He appeared here on earth. The Old Testament told us that a man would come to earth to die for the sin of the world. Jesus Christ, was that man. He died on the cross. And now anyone who gives their life to Him, will have eternal life. The Bible also tells us, that near the end of time, and just before we see the return of Jesus Christ. God would allow the Jewish people to return to the land of Israel, and retake back their city of Jerusalem. We are now living in what the Bible describes as the last days. These days to come, will be perlious times for the people of planet earth.
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Old 03-21-2010, 07:18 AM
 
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Jesus Christ was the person who fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament.
Still flogging that dead horse eh Campbell?
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Old 03-21-2010, 07:19 AM
 
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Is there a "religion" that I would identify with.
Do you feel the need for a 'religion'?
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Old 03-21-2010, 08:35 AM
 
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Default A Life Complete!

I'm with Rafius here. I live completely (perhaps I should capitalize that word... COMPLETELY!) without religion. No dogma, no Karma, no bowing and scrapping to false idolatry, no memorized rote-chants that mislead and distract one from direct, personal consideration of the situation, no feeling indebted to an imaginary person, and finally, no total, mindless rejection of new ideas, new discoveries and the accumulated knowledge of this world.

Works for me and countless millions like me. Those with a dedicated religion feel guilty (part of the design, I"m sure...) when they don't complete the mandatory steps outlined in their various "tomes", but I just happily move on, and have made it quite successfully to my 60s totally without a daily or even weekly injection of some fake paradigm. You could too, if you chose.

In short, it's more than possible to have a happy and completely fulfilled life without "finding" a religion. Maybe even better than one hung with cultural and behavioral anchors!

BTW, what is your career, or your intended career?
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Old 03-21-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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Default Let Not Ignoraqcne and Fear-mongering Taint Your Heart, My Son. rifleman, 3/21/'10

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1) Jesus Christ was the person who fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament.

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rflmn: So.. they, having been achieved and fulfilled, can't be used again, right? Aside from that End Times one, nothing else can or will happen, right? You can't recycle prophecy, Tom.
We are now living in what the Bible describes as the last days. These days to come, will be perilous times for the people of planet earth.
Every wack-job preacher worth his personal illicitly-acquired fortune has been pushing this one for every single generation as far back as there have been frightened, gullible people. That of course, would be forever.

And yet, despite the gloatingly wishful promise that God and Jesus will be coming, brothers and sisters, neither the father nor the son have ever shown up, or even sent a note that they'd be a bit late, EVER!

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Still flogging that dead horse eh Campbell?
Hey' when it's all you've got left, yah gotta flog it, huh? Too bad for the horse though..... it's about had enough.
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Old 03-21-2010, 09:01 AM
 
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Hey' when it's all you've got left, yah gotta flog it, huh? Too bad for the horse though..... it's about had enough.
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Old 03-21-2010, 09:06 AM
 
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When people ask me what my religion is I will usually tell them that I am an atheist. That's because I don't believe that there is a literal supreme being ("god") watching over us and determining if we will go to Heaven or Hell.

Actually, I don't even believe in a literal Heaven or Hell.

I DO believe that there was someone named Jesus (or the equivalent translation of it) that was a great moral teacher and that he taught the morals of his time. Some of which are relevant today.

I believe this "Jesus" guy also used Heaven and Hell as a parable to what might happen to you if you do something good or something bad. (For example; murder. If you murder someone you would most likely go to prison. Prison=Hell. Yes, yes, yes I also know about the burning garbage dump outside of Jeruselum that the bodies of criminals where thrown so, that could also have been a parable that Jesus used as "Hell")



I guess what I'm saying is that I feel Jesus taught about "Karma" like Buddha but I don't truly believe in "Karma" as I think of "Karma" in a more spiritual sense then man-made.

Is this making any sense? Is there a "religion" that I would identify with.
Yes there are religions out there.... Christianity is not the only religion and there are many that have a very different world view.

Once you step out of the Christian box and look at what is out there you may find a place you fit.
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