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Old 03-24-2010, 01:06 PM
 
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So, what logic is this? Please explain.

The following statements are all correct:

"Either random or non-random"
"Either God did it or God did not do it"
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Old 03-24-2010, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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I know nothing of logic, but it seems to me that if you're trying to link randomness with God and vice versa. I think your missing a link; I mean...

Either A or not-A
Either B or not-B

But how do you relate A and B? They are two independent statements, IMHO.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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I know it's illogical -- but, the most common type "proof of God" from theists is "it's not random, therefore it must be God."
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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Sunday School teacher to little Johnny:

"If A happened, and [of course...] B did NOT cause it, then obviously C: God did it."

Little Johnny:

"But our science teacher says B caused it and he has evidence!"

SS teacher, huffily:

" [fill in the blanks] ".
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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SS teacher, huffily:

" but B is not true. if it is true, earth will not be the only one to cultivate life ".
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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SS teacher, huffily:

"Achtung!"


Sorry, I was watching Hogan's Heroes while I wrote this.

Last edited by Fullback32; 03-24-2010 at 10:15 PM..
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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SS teacher, huffily:

" but B is not true. if it is true, earth will not be the only one to cultivate life ".
(Of course, Miss Jones, the SS teacher, also never went to school beyond the Grade 8 level, or wanted to accept anything about how science works. She just "parrots" others' inadequate thinking, and therefore concludes that "B" is automatically wrong. Even when it's proven right...)

And especially when she learns that we have found life an many other planets, starting with Mars (wait for it; coming soon to a National Geographic near you!)
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:42 PM
 
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So, what logic is this? Please explain.

The following statements are all correct:

"Either random or non-random"
"Either God did it or God did not do it"

it did it

god made god

the past doesn't exist, its just a memory
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Old 03-24-2010, 11:01 PM
 
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My favorite memories are of the past.
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:18 AM
 
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So, what logic is this? Please explain.

The following statements are all correct:

"Either random or non-random"
"Either God did it or God did not do it"
"what logic is this?"
Ill-logic.
The following statements are all logical fallacies (1)

"Either random or non-random"
"Either God did it or God did not do it"

Concepts before definitions, as I keep saying.

"Either random or non-random"

Random implies mere chance or happening for no reason. There are reasons why things happen. There are reasons why snowflakes or crystals grow according to a pattern, but nobody whose opinions deserve respect would claim that some white - bearded invisible gentleman is making them all, while humming happily to himself.

"Either God did it or God did not do it"
"what logic is this?"

Ill-logic.
Concepts before definitions, as I keep saying.

Either 'God' (a very specific deity with very specific characteristics) or not. But if a god 'did it', which one? There are plenty to choose from.

(1) bifurcation or undistributed middle. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?BifurcationFallacy
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