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there is a punishment or reward when you die. there is eternal punishment. dobeable are u one of those christians that believe that if you did not accept Jesus as your savior even if you live like a saint, you will go to hell? THAT is wrong.
my catholic belief is that we are judged on HOW we live our lives. so are you saying that serial killers like ed gein, if in their deathbed accept Jesus as Savior, they will automatically go to heaven? THAT is wrong.
The Bible is clear that doing good works is not the ticket to heaven (Eph. 2). Belief in Jesus as our propitiation is the way to heaven (Mark 16).
The fruit of the Spirit is evidence of salvation: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (galatians 5).
there is a punishment or reward when you die. there is eternal punishment. dobeable are u one of those christians that believe that if you did not accept Jesus as your savior even if you live like a saint, you will go to hell? THAT is wrong.
my catholic belief is that we are judged on HOW we live our lives. so are you saying that serial killers like ed gein, if in their deathbed accept Jesus as Savior, they will automatically go to heaven? THAT is wrong.
No- i beleive in karma and reincarnation and that in time every soul goes back to where they came from- the spiritual world(kingdom of God)-an ever expanding Universe with innumerable planets(so yes there is life on other planets BTW)and life there is eternal and everybody feels the highest spiritual bliss -infact its the same love as Gods,same in quality but not in quantity-and its forever getting better and because each and every soul is eternal and originates from this plane,in time everybody will return,how long it takes is purely up to the individual-we are of sinfull nature at the moment-and it dosent nescesseraly mean you bad -there a are lot of good people out there and i agree with u on dat one- we are judged on our actions and because God has set up the law of karma(you reap what you sow)then people that do good deserve and get in return good but sometimes it appears that only egotistical money makers that think they own the feckin planet appear to be the succsessful ones-but what is succsess?-i dont think its material gain -the soul cant find happiness in temporary things and it is Gods Love that we truly buzz off-we have an eternal relationship with the most amazing ,wonderfull ,supreme, whatever way you worship Him,Person-
thats what i beleive anyway.
and i do beleive that their are hellish planets out there in this material cosmos just as their are heavenly(so yes their is life on other planetsLOL)
but they are not permanant existences just as this one isnt.
to me its thats why the Supreme Personality of Godhead puts in place the law of reincarnation -life realy is a test -a test of character-
The Bible is clear that doing good works is not the ticket to heaven (Eph. 2). Belief in Jesus as our propitiation is the way to heaven (Mark 16).
The fruit of the Spirit is evidence of salvation: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (galatians 5).
i dont like how some faith misconstrue that. do u remember how Jesus loathed the pharisees? pharisees are the know it all of the word of God during Jesus time right? but they are hypocrites. meaning they know God's rule but Jesus knows that they don't do/follow it.
i am just saying of course. if you believe in God it just follows that you follow HIS rules. now there are people who don't believe in God but they don't also go around killing people. does that mean they go to hell JUST for not believing in God? that's just wrong.
The Bible is clear that doing good works is not the ticket to heaven (Eph. 2). Belief in Jesus as our propitiation is the way to heaven (Mark 16).
The fruit of the Spirit is evidence of salvation: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (galatians 5).
Yeah and if your not fealing -being-thinking and acting ALL of the above 24/7 then you have not reached the stage of perfection either -you cant enter the spiritual kingdom unless you are pure
Yeah and if your not fealing -being-thinking and acting ALL of the above 24/7 then you have not reached the stage of perfection either -you cant enter the spiritual kingdom unless you are pure
True believers are righteous before God (what you call pure). Jesus' blood sacrifice took care of that. Works have nothing to do with salvation. They're only evidence of it.
i dont like how some faith misconstrue that. do u remember how Jesus loathed the pharisees? pharisees are the know it all of the word of God during Jesus time right? but they are hypocrites. meaning they know God's rule but Jesus knows that they don't do/follow it.
i am just saying of course. if you believe in God it just follows that you follow HIS rules. now there are people who don't believe in God but they don't also go around killing people. does that mean they go to hell JUST for not believing in God? that's just wrong.
Just how good does a person have to be to earn God's favor (without faith in Christ)? God says our best is as "filthy rags". Wouldn't that insinuate we could never meet His standard on our own?
i would go by how Jesus Himself loathed the pharisees. EVERY time He sees them, He can't control His obvious disapproval of their deeds. that's saying something. and these pharisees were the insinuaters of condemning Jesus. they instigated Jesus to be in trial leading to His crucifixion. how ironic that they condemned Jesus to death, the very God they apparently know about. since they are the experts in word of God.
True believers are righteous before God (what you call pure). Jesus' blood sacrifice took care of that. Works have nothing to do with salvation. They're only evidence of it.
yes and jesus' sacrifice was for everyone and not just christians
works alone wont get you there but then again why did Jesus say"reap wat u sow"if it dosent matter what you do then we could be as evil as we like and it wouldnt matter-purity has to be earned-it takes time ,alot of time for most people but at the same time purity can be acheived instantainiously but that is very rare-but bottom line is we all get there-if were realy evil then we will deserve the hellish planets ,for a while that is and theres different levels on each-,the heavenly planets are awaiting those who are pious ,and the earthly plane for those who are learning or ment to be learning,or just fullfilling some desire,some are spiritually advanced some are materially,theres many different beleifs and culture and religions,all the different people everywhee-question
why is God sending them here-knowing the outcome of the situation? lets get back to the thread here
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why cant christians understand that theres no eternal hell
