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View Poll Results: would God punish His children forever
definitely 9 24.32%
never in an eternity would He 28 75.68%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 03-25-2010, 10:38 AM
 
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to say that God created life and invented a system where people suffer, first in this life then forever in the next life really dosent make sense

"forgive them lord for they do not know what they are doing"-Jesus

"love thy enemy"-Jesus

do you think someone who preached to love your enemy would be part of a system that throws eternal punishment on their own children

if the eternal hell concept is true then God is sending people here knowing that they will fail and end up in eternal torment

their is no justice in the eternal hell concept-God is mercifull-mercy is higher than justice

"you reap what you sow"-Jesus
what crime can anyone do to deserve an eternal punishment-maybe a very long punishment but not an eternal one-who could learn from that

to say God has created such a place(and on what day did He create it?)to send people for eternity would be like saying God Himself is evil-infact its like saying He is worse than satan-satan only tempts us but its God who punishes us with so much pain forever-and for what -not accepting Jesus-what about all the people who never heard of Jesus-what about all the people before Jesus' birth-what about all the kids that die before they can understand religion-what about all the different cultures that exist that differ from the christians-basically why would god put all them people here knowing that they wont be christian-isnt He responsible for life itself

to think that an ALL LOVING GOD would send His kids to earth to be misled and then punished for falling for it for eternity is ludicrous-even i could think of a better system than that and im only human
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Old 03-25-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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Amen. Hell is as ridiculous as other make-believe fantasies that people believe in when it comes to religion.
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:45 PM
 
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to say that God created life and invented a system where people suffer, first in this life then forever in the next life really dosent make sense

"forgive them lord for they do not know what they are doing"-Jesus

"love thy enemy"-Jesus

do you think someone who preached to love your enemy would be part of a system that throws eternal punishment on their own children

if the eternal hell concept is true then God is sending people here knowing that they will fail and end up in eternal torment

their is no justice in the eternal hell concept-God is mercifull-mercy is higher than justice

"you reap what you sow"-Jesus
what crime can anyone do to deserve an eternal punishment-maybe a very long punishment but not an eternal one-who could learn from that

to say God has created such a place(and on what day did He create it?)to send people for eternity would be like saying God Himself is evil-infact its like saying He is worse than satan-satan only tempts us but its God who punishes us with so much pain forever-and for what -not accepting Jesus-what about all the people who never heard of Jesus-what about all the people before Jesus' birth-what about all the kids that die before they can understand religion-what about all the different cultures that exist that differ from the christians-basically why would god put all them people here knowing that they wont be christian-isnt He responsible for life itself

to think that an ALL LOVING GOD would send His kids to earth to be misled and then punished for falling for it for eternity is ludicrous-even i could think of a better system than that and im only human

You certainly skipped over a lot of verses:
In Matthew 25:46, Jesus said that the unrighteous "will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Clearly both life in heaven and punishment in hell are eternal.


Jesus said that people "will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" and into "the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth," (Matthew 8:12 and Matthew 13:42). In the verses Mark 9:42-48, Jesus said that if a hand, foot or an eye caused you to sin, it would be better to lose it and enter heaven maimed than to be tossed into hell because of the sin it causes. Because, Jesus said, in hell the worm doesn't die and the fire is never quenched. The fire represents external torment and the worm describes internal torment, neither of which ever end. There are many other verses which describe hell as a terrible, dark place of eternal, fearful punishment.

Some argue that hell is not eternal but that the unrighteous will undergo annihilation. If something is annihilated, then it obviously has no feeling - it's like a rock. The trouble with this argument is that to a rock the fire is quenched, the worm is dead and it knows nothing of the darkness and fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. A rock can't suffer at all so for punishment to be eternal the victim must have life. Whatever hell is, it is certainly a place to fear because God is going to pour His anger out on those who reject His Son ... for ever and ever. God allowed Jesus to suffer greatly, without mercy, on the cross to bring us to Himself. How much more is He going punish those who reject His offer of forgiveness?

1 John 4:8 says that "God is love." He has proved this love to the world through His Son Jesus. However, little thought is given to the fact that He is also Holy, Righteous and Just and that He will do exactly what John 3:36 says will be done ... "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:11 PM
 
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You certainly skipped over a lot of verses:
In Matthew 25:46, Jesus said that the unrighteous "will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." Clearly both life in heaven and punishment in hell are eternal.


Jesus said that people "will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" and into "the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth," (Matthew 8:12 and Matthew 13:42). In the verses Mark 9:42-48, Jesus said that if a hand, foot or an eye caused you to sin, it would be better to lose it and enter heaven maimed than to be tossed into hell because of the sin it causes. Because, Jesus said, in hell the worm doesn't die and the fire is never quenched. The fire represents external torment and the worm describes internal torment, neither of which ever end. There are many other verses which describe hell as a terrible, dark place of eternal, fearful punishment.

Some argue that hell is not eternal but that the unrighteous will undergo annihilation. If something is annihilated, then it obviously has no feeling - it's like a rock. The trouble with this argument is that to a rock the fire is quenched, the worm is dead and it knows nothing of the darkness and fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. A rock can't suffer at all so for punishment to be eternal the victim must have life. Whatever hell is, it is certainly a place to fear because God is going to pour His anger out on those who reject His Son ... for ever and ever. God allowed Jesus to suffer greatly, without mercy, on the cross to bring us to Himself. How much more is He going punish those who reject His offer of forgiveness?

1 John 4:8 says that "God is love." He has proved this love to the world through His Son Jesus. However, little thought is given to the fact that He is also Holy, Righteous and Just and that He will do exactly what John 3:36 says will be done ... "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
not one verse you said there said anything about eternal hell -how do you know what Jesus actually ment-He could have just been saying that if you sin your life will be miserable-jesus talked in a flowery language full of parables and hidden meanings

"and He will do exactly what john says will be done"-so john is the master of God is that right-what if john says something that contradicts Jesus do you go with john or Jesus-john was a fisherman jesus picked him because of his heart not because he was a very inteelegent person-infact the disciples didnt realy understand everything Jesus was saying

how much about Jesus do you actually know-i mean the bible only breifly describes some of his pastimes -everything that Jesus said in the bible can be written on a couple of pages-whaere was he from the age of 12-30 thats alot of missing years and what did emporer constantine cut from the bible -whole books.

but again ifm you want to interperate them few lines written bye matthew and john as eternal hell for mankind then go ahead but then you my freind are making God out to be no different than the devil infact your making him out to be the worst being in the universe

BTW-what day did He create this eternal hell

do you have an awnser for any of the questions in the first post-i forgot to put question marks over them but they are questions-sorry
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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I'd have to agree with you. The concept that an all loving god would send someone to burn for eternity is utter lunacy. What's interesting is that the bible selectivists(what I like to call bible literalists) don't even realize that hell originated from paganism and didn't even enter christianity until the Dark Ages.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:46 PM
 
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to say that God created life and invented a system where people suffer, first in this life then forever in the next life really dosent make sense

"forgive them lord for they do not know what they are doing"-Jesus

"love thy enemy"-Jesus

do you think someone who preached to love your enemy would be part of a system that throws eternal punishment on their own children

if the eternal hell concept is true then God is sending people here knowing that they will fail and end up in eternal torment

their is no justice in the eternal hell concept-God is mercifull-mercy is higher than justice

"you reap what you sow"-Jesus
what crime can anyone do to deserve an eternal punishment-maybe a very long punishment but not an eternal one-who could learn from that

to say God has created such a place(and on what day did He create it?)to send people for eternity would be like saying God Himself is evil-infact its like saying He is worse than satan-satan only tempts us but its God who punishes us with so much pain forever-and for what -not accepting Jesus-what about all the people who never heard of Jesus-what about all the people before Jesus' birth-what about all the kids that die before they can understand religion-what about all the different cultures that exist that differ from the christians-basically why would god put all them people here knowing that they wont be christian-isnt He responsible for life itself

to think that an ALL LOVING GOD would send His kids to earth to be misled and then punished for falling for it for eternity is ludicrous-even i could think of a better system than that and im only human
i agree... if god is so great he wouldn't need to send people to hell for eternity.. eternity is a long freeekin time. the bible,quran are to easily misinterpreted..
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:07 AM
 
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Hell is a place of correction only. We can get out the hard way by repentance or the easy way by praying for and receiving Divine Love. The former can take millions of years whereas the latter can take as little as twenty. I know of one who was very evil on earth and he took the shortcut. The last I heard, he was in the Celestial Heavens. No, God does not have any eternal place except His place in Heaven. It's only up to us which road to take and how fast we want to see God.
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:43 AM
 
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Hell is a place of correction only. We can get out the hard way by repentance or the easy way by praying for and receiving Divine Love. The former can take millions of years whereas the latter can take as little as twenty. I know of one who was very evil on earth and he took the shortcut. The last I heard, he was in the Celestial Heavens. No, God does not have any eternal place except His place in Heaven. It's only up to us which road to take and how fast we want to see God.
You believe a lie.
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:29 AM
 
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You believe a lie.

There is a hell, or rather hells, just as there is a heaven or heavens, and all men when they become spirits, will be compelled to occupy one or the other of these places; not because God had decreed that any particular spirit because of his earth belief or condition shall occupy that place, but because the condition of his soul development, or want of development, fits and fixes him for that place and no other. God has made His laws of harmony and these laws are never changed, and when any particular soul gets into a condition of agreement with these laws, then that soul becomes at one with the Father and an inhabitant of His heavens; and so long as that soul remains out of such condition it is in hell, which is the condition of being out of agreement with the harmony of God's laws. This is hell and there is no other comprehensive definition of it: every thing or place that is not heaven is hell. Of course there are many gradations of hell, and the inhabitants of these gradations are made by the condition of their soul development, which is determined by the quantity and quality of the defilement and sin that exists in these souls. The soul is developed as the love becomes purified and sin eradicated, and just as this process progresses the soul becomes developed.

God has decreed that His universe, both of men and things, shall be harmonious, and only the creature, man, has become out of that harmony; and as the universe shall continue, the only destiny for man is, that he shall return to that harmony from which he fell by reason of his own misdirected will. Had God decreed, as the preacher by necessary implication, declared, that the sinner who dies in his sins shall forever remain in his sins and in a state of antagonism to such harmony, then God, Himself, would necessarily become the cause and power of defeating His own laws of harmony, which no sane mortal whether he believes in the Scriptures or not, would or could believe.
God's Laws are fixed and unchangeable and always in harmony with one another and with His Will, and knowing this, every thinking man will know and should know that whenever a proposition or opinion is put forth by preacher or layman or philosopher or scientist that shows that in order for a certain condition or truth to exist, God's Laws will have to work in conflict with or in opposition to one another, then that proposition or opinion is false and has no foundation in fact. And so to accept this declaration of the preacher that there is no probation after death, or as he said, chance to progress out of the hell which the mortal carries with him to the spirit world, men will have to believe that the Loving Father, for the satisfying His wrath and meeting the demands of His supposed justice, will set his laws in conflict with one another and destroy the harmony of his universe.
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Old 03-26-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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there is a punishment or reward when you die. there is eternal punishment. dobeable are u one of those christians that believe that if you did not accept Jesus as your savior even if you live like a saint, you will go to hell? THAT is wrong.


my catholic belief is that we are judged on HOW we live our lives. so are you saying that serial killers like ed gein, if in their deathbed accept Jesus as Savior, they will automatically go to heaven? THAT is wrong.
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