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Old 03-28-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No it's not an assumption...Wiki has a fairly good article on radioactive decay if you are really interested.
Radioactive decay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-28-2010, 06:55 PM
 
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it's not an assumption? Was someone there 4 million years ago?
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:07 PM
 
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it's not an assumption? Was someone there 4 million years ago?
Do you think a forensic specialist's reconstruction and conclusions are invalidated because he/she was not at the scene when the incident occurred?
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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Usually a forensic specialist is dealing with things maintained within the timeframe of human existence, therefore that which has been observed by someone. In dating the earth, science attempts to explain things, that they say took place long before, human existence let alone recorded history. At some point in time they have to make certain assumptions, because no one was there 4 million years ago, so they have to assume that the earth was a certain way, and that is all based on what has been scientifically observed over the existence of educated humans. How can they account for singular events that effected massive change, without having to make assumptions about the possibilities of such an event?
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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Usually a forensic specialist is dealing with things maintained within the timeframe of human existence, therefore that which has been observed by someone. In dating the earth, science attempts to explain things, that they say took place long before, human existence let alone recorded history. At some point in time they have to make certain assumptions, because no one was there 4 million years ago, so they have to assume that the earth was a certain way, and that is all based on what has been scientifically observed over the existence of educated humans. How can they account for singular events that effected massive change, without having to make assumptions about the possibilities of such an event?
Most often a forensic specialist is recreating an event that occurred on a body, absent any witnesses. The reason I bring up forensics is because, similar to the sciences that recreate the Earth's historical geology, they both use modern scientific tools with which to arrive at conclusions about events which lacked witnesses. Geologic history is traced back and determined by piecing together the scientific evidence that exists. Events are described from the record that lies under the Earth and from what cosmologists uncover in our universe with new sophisticated technologies. Where things are uncertain, they are usually described as such with restrictions applying.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Usually a forensic specialist is dealing with things maintained within the timeframe of human existence, therefore that which has been observed by someone. In dating the earth, science attempts to explain things, that they say took place long before, human existence let alone recorded history. At some point in time they have to make certain assumptions, because no one was there 4 million years ago, so they have to assume that the earth was a certain way, and that is all based on what has been scientifically observed over the existence of educated humans. How can they account for singular events that effected massive change, without having to make assumptions about the possibilities of such an event?
Many of these events you speak of leave evidence...Like ice ages, volcanic eruptions, large meteor strikes, etc. For instance a volcanic eruption on the island of Sumatra in 72,000 BC created winter like conditions world wide that lasted for years...It almost wiped out the human race. The layer of ash (evidence) from this eruption can be found world wide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX3pHD7NH58

I suppose you were there when god supposedly created all 6,000 years ago...If not you are only assuming as well aren't you?...You don't even have any evidence, unlike the masses of evidence for an old earth and universe.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:43 PM
 
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ive been goin through a few threads and i keep hearing people say the earth is only 6000 years old-i find that hard to beleive

i beleive in the vedic scriptures and they say the earth is billions of years old-also science and geology say the same

im just wondering where they got their estimations from

they hardly think that dinosaures where here only 6000 years ago do they

can anybody come forward and fill us in on why they think this and where they are getting this from...tnx
Yes, unfortunately some people, probably more than you'd expect believe the earth is about 6000 years old. It was actually a shock to me to when I realized how many people believe this...I live under the misguided assumption that most people accepted the highly regarded scientific dating of the planet.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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I never made the claim that I did not make assumptions. I believe in the Bible. I think that God created the earth and was therefore an eyewitness to its creation. I can't fully wrap my head around the science that can create a fully matured earth within a week, but hen again a 4 yr old can't wrap their head around quantum physics either. I believe that the Flood drastically changed the face of this planet not to mention the effects of sin on a world created perfect. Scientists tends to make the assumption that these events didn't happen.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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No it's based on the FACT that certain elements decay at a predictable rate.

BUT YOU FAIL TO BRING TO THE TABLE WHAT MAKES THE ELEMENTS?
AND IF GOD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL...THEN HE CAN TAKE THOSE ELEMENTS AND REMAKE THEM TO SUIT HIS PLAN>>>OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


So we take the Earth for instance...it seems that the rock matter is consumed by the inner core...and is spewed out to the surface over time in a new state...Thus if this matterial is taken and studied with the decay principle we employ to date the time line of its age...we would be not looking at the true age of the whole world, but a remade part of a part of the world.

So to say the world is X age by these crude means is in error.

For we do not know how old this world really is, because of the Fact I just put forward....
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:58 PM
 
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it's not an assumption? Was someone there 4 million years ago?
Were you there 6000 years ago?
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