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Nah...doesn't make any sense. Payment of a debt is payment of a debt. What one believes is irrelevant. If I bail you out of jail, the sheriff will release you regardless of whether you believe I did it or not.
Comparing bail to Jesus' death on the cross is just not feasible. What one believes is very relevant not only in our spiritual lives, but in every case in life. Sorry, I can't comprehend your statement at all.
Sorry to go off topic here but are you saying mormons do not accept Jesus as the Saviour?
I know your question was not directed to me and I really don't know much about the Mormon faith. I was told once though by a Mormon friend that she believed Jesus to be only a teacher, not a Saviour.
I know your question was not directed to me and I really don't know much about the Mormon faith. I was told once though by a Mormon friend that she believed Jesus to be only a teacher, not a Saviour.
I don't know that this question warrants a separate thread so I'll ask it here...hopefully it's appropriate to the original question. Why did Jesus have to die for our sins? He was supposedly the final sacrifice, and nobody had to sacrifice animals after him, etc. And he supposedly took on the world's sins so that God could forgive us all from then on...right? But why couldn't God have just forgiven us our sins Himself? I mean He's God. He can forgive if he wants. He can forgive the whole world if He wants. He can turn the sky purple polka dots if He wants, turn us all into frogs, wipe us all out, cure cancer, whatever...He's GOD. He could have just forgiven us all by Himself...Why would anybody have to die in order to accomplish that? That's one thing I've never understood about the Christian faith.
Also, if it's a matter of, "He had to do something that dramatic to make people realize their sins were being forgiven," well, that's a matter of changing someone's heart...right? Which God could also do. For example, in Exodus, Pharaoh was all set to let the Israelites go and God hardened Pharaoh's heart to make him not let the Israelites go. So...that was a little weird...but anyway...God changed Pharaoh's heart without blinking an eye; but He can't or doesn't want to change people's hearts also regarding sin? It's weird. If it's a question of free will, obviously Pharaoh didn't have free will in this instance, and Pharaoh was a person just like anybody else.
I don't know, I'm rambling, I think, trying to make a point...not sure if it's all understandable the way I put it.
Well I can tell you both beyond a shadow of a doubt that that is completely false. Jesus Christ is our one and only Saviour and Redeemer.
I am so glad to hear that as I always wondered about it and her as well. When I was friends with the Mormon young lady, it was about 33 years ago. I then moved to another state and we lost touch with one another. That's what she told me though. Thank you so much for easing my mind about the Mormon faith.
Comparing bail to Jesus' death on the cross is just not feasible.
Jesus' death was a sacrifice, to pay a debt for our sins. My bailing you out of jail is a sacrifice, to pay a debt for your arrest. Pretty basic comparison, really.
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What one believes is very relevant not only in our spiritual lives, but in every case in life.
It may be relevant to one's actions, but belief is irrelevant to the facts. I may believe my car won't start, so I take the bus to work every day. This doesn't mean my car won't start. I may be taking the bus for no reason. If Jesus paid my debt in full, then that debt is paid, whether I believe it or not. If I am required to believe in addition to Jesus' sacrifice, then he did not pay the debt in full. Which is it?
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Sorry, I can't comprehend your statement at all.
In every case in life, as you mention, belief is indeed irrelevant to debt payment, so it is this supposed requirement of Christianity that is incomprehensible.
I am so glad to hear that as I always wondered about it and her as well. When I was friends with the Mormon young lady, it was about 33 years ago. I then moved to another state and we lost touch with one another. That's what she told me though. Thank you so much for easing my mind about the Mormon faith.
When you are dead , you are dead. , thats it. All the talk about heaven and hell is a real thing in the minds of the living. If people want to be kind, giving, do good things for others, make a difference ,they should practice what they preach. Religion in general has done more harm than good , in the name of God ,, or whatever. making things better for the living is what it should be all about. Its a very sad case , that people want to be miserable, start wars , end justifys the means , kinda stuff, when they are alive , just so , they can have a better life when they are dead....makes no sense. Heaven on earth makes much more sense, while we are alive and can enjoy it.............
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