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There's no such thing as god's laws. There are physical laws and there are cultural laws. Physical laws govern our universe while cultural laws govern our actions.
Side note, love isn't a concept that comes from a god thing.
Well the laws of G-d are cherry picked by the Christians. They follow the old and new testament but don't follow all the laws.
Cherry picking what they want to follow and leaving what they don't want to follow.
No, see, you were doing fine with, "Wow I hadn't considered that, and I can't answer that question," and letting it go. Throwing scripture at me doesn't work, because I don't believe the scripture is true.
But even so, the problem still remains: If God knows everything, then he KNEW man would "indulge them beyond their proper functions", and he KNEW that would result in sin. So why did he even make it possible for man to do that?
Well, who told you "God knows everything?" Do you believe that He knows what our thoughts are before they are even formed? Do you believe that He knows what we are going to eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner before we do? Do you believe that He knows when a child is born that he or she will commit murder?
Let's just take a purely hypothetical here... say our Heavenly Father decided tomorrow... that's it... no more sin is allowed on this planet... but by doing this, He will then take away our free will. Do you believe that everyone would then love one another and we would have a world with peace and happiness? Or would there be somebody in the crowd who would then complain because they no longer have a free will choice?
Do you believe that He knows what our thoughts are before they are even formed? Do you believe that He knows what we are going to eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner before we do? Do you believe that He knows when a child is born that he or she will commit murder?
Your Bible says that is the case.
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Let's just take a purely hypothetical here... say our Heavenly Father decided tomorrow... that's it... no more sin is allowed on this planet... but by doing this, He will then take away our free will. Do you believe that everyone would then love one another and we would have a world with peace and happiness? Or would there be somebody in the crowd who would then complain because they no longer have a free will choice?
Do you think that millions should suffer just so that one or two should have this "free-will" you speak of? Is it OK for 6 million Jews to have been exterminated just as long as Hitler was not denied his free will? Was it fair that Stalin murdered millions just as long as his free-will was not violated?
If you believe in an omniscient deity - free will cannot exist.
Do you think that millions should suffer just so that one or two should have this "free-will" you speak of? Is it OK for 6 million Jews to have been exterminated just as long as Hitler was not denied his free will? Was it fair that Stalin murdered millions just as long as his free-will was not violated?
If you believe in an omniscient deity - free will cannot exist.
Here is THE PROBLEM...on BOTH sides. The Believers are using the Bible to determine Gods Laws...and the Atheists are using that against them.
BOTTOM LINE...You can't go by everything in that book. Self serving men of all kinds of different agendas have added to it, taken away from it, twisted it, compromised it, and perverted it. So, while some is still left intact...much is not...and the difference is almost impossible to determine.
Kant spoke of the "Categorical Imperative" and saw that the Bible should be seen as a source of natural morality no matter whether there is/was any truth behind the supernatural factor. Meaning that it is not necessary to know whether the supernatural part of Christianity has any truth to abide by, and use the core Christian moral code...How appropriate that his name was Immanuel.
No matter what...you reap only what you sow...contemporarialy known as "What goes around, comes around"....Make sure what you "put out there" is something you'd want to come back onto you, and you'll be fine. That, and the Golden Rule. Actually I like an inverse of the GR better..."Don't do to others anything you wouldn't want them doing to you".
Do you think that millions should suffer just so that one or two should have this "free-will" you speak of? Is it OK for 6 million Jews to have been exterminated just as long as Hitler was not denied his free will? Was it fair that Stalin murdered millions just as long as his free-will was not violated?
If you believe in an omniscient deity - free will cannot exist.
Inasmuch as men are creators, as well as the creations of our Heavenly Father... it is they who will have to change their sinful and evil ways so that we will live in a sinless world. Do you believe that Hitler and Stalin were given a pass in the next world and they didn't have to suffer tremendously for what they did?
Law of Compensation:
There is a law in our world, which makes the soul of one who has not yet been purified, suffer the penalties for the acts of sin and evil, of which he may have been guilty during his earth life, and there is no forgiveness of these acts in the sense that forgiveness is taught by the theologians and churches. The only forgiveness is the cessation of recollection of these acts, so that they become as though they had never been; and as the soul becomes naturally pure and in harmony with the laws of its creation, it then comes into its natural condition and then, and only then, forgiveness takes place.
Do you believe it is good for your soul to hold on to negative thoughts and beliefs and bitterness about the past... or would you, and everyone else, be better served to release and let them go. What happened in the past, we can do nothing about... what happens today and in the future, we can... but it takes an effort and our free will choice to bring about a change in ourselves... and this can be done... but it's up to us.
By our mental sufferings of remorse, shame, regret, guilt... torment.
Oooh! So that is God's way of showing us we have not followed the laws that were set out...? I understand. What about people who do not appear to feel such emotions after doing things that we would consider so appalling and would definitely be against God's Laws...for instance, murder?
Do you believe that Hitler and Stalin were given a pass in the next world and they didn't have to suffer tremendously for what they did?
Well that has nothing to do with what I said does it?
You said....
"...say our Heavenly Father decided tomorrow... that's it... no more sin is allowed on this planet... but by doing this, He will then take away our free will."
The way I read that is that you are saying that your god will not disallow "sin" because he doesn't want to infringe on what you refer to as a person's .."free-will"
What I'm asking is whether or not you think your god is just, in allowing millions to be killed and tortured by Stalin and Hitler (or any other of the tyrannical despots in the world) on the grounds that Hitler and Stalin should not have their 'free-will' interfered with? The question is simple. Is it fair that some people suffer just so that other people do not have their "free-will" restricted?
Oooh! So that is God's way of showing us we have not followed the laws that were set out...? I understand. What about people who do not appear to feel such emotions after doing things that we would consider so appalling and would definitely be against God's Laws...for instance, murder?
You know the old saying... you can run, but you can't hide... well, these heartless people will get the surprise of their lives when they pass over into the spirit world... because our memories of what we did on earth go with us there... and those people get an opportunity see what they did wrong and that's when they will suffer.
Law of Compensation:
Man, when he becomes a spirit, is his own judge and executioner, submitting to and receiving the inexorable results of the law that whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap. This is a law that is necessary to preserve or bring about the harmony of God's universe, which, of course, is absolutely necessary.
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