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Unread 04-28-2010, 02:19 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Campbell, don't you even consider that you have already been shown that this 'recent' discovery is the same old tripe that was circulating nearly a decade ago. The same old tripe that, after all this time, STILL has not produced anything of merit by experts in the field of archaeology, that STILL hasn't produced any verifiable dating, that STILL haven't supplied any co-ordinates to enable science to study this 'find', that STILL hasn't presented any peer review, that STILL hasn't produce ANYTHING other than the deluded hopes of evangelical believers.

 
Unread 04-28-2010, 03:08 AM
 
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Campbell, don't you even consider that you have already been shown that this 'recent' discovery is the same old tripe that was circulating nearly a decade ago. The same old tripe that, after all this time, STILL has not produced anything of merit by experts in the field of archaeology, that STILL hasn't produced any verifiable dating, that STILL haven't supplied any co-ordinates to enable science to study this 'find', that STILL hasn't presented any peer review, that STILL hasn't produce ANYTHING other than the deluded hopes of evangelical believers.
And don't you wonder why you simply ignore everything that has been presented to you? And since this is the first time in history, that a team has actually presented closeup pictures from inside the Ark. How can you pretend this is not happening? Your experts are just like you. They don't want to believe in the Biblical Ark story. That's why it is hard to get any of them to consider the evidence. However, I believe this is all going to change. Peer review? Like the peer review of the Ica burial stones? Or the peer review of the figurines from El Toro mountain? Or the peer review of the Delk Track? Don't you get it? They have had years to consider such evidence, yet they ignore all of it. Unless you believe these believers and researchers are all liars. You would have to draw the conclusion that something very large and manmade has been discovered two and a half miles up on Mt. Ararat. And Turkish officials are also now seeking UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected, while a major archaelolgical dig is conducted. For you to see what is now occuring and only conclude that this is just because of deluded hopes of a few evangelical believers. Well, that makes me believe it is you who has become deluded. It should be obvious that both these believers and Turkish officials are going to reveal to the world, the latest findings. They now know were at least one section of the Ark rest, and in the future there will be much to say about this discovery.
 
Unread 04-28-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Naturally, to a non believer who has fully rejected the Biblical account, any evidence that confirms the Scriptures is suspect. What these researchers found, confirms the reports by so many over the years that a large ship like craft was buried in the ice near the top of Mt. Ararat. And the location just happens to be in the same spot revealed to us in the Bible. The Christians who found it, did so, because they believed the truth of the Scriptures. Non believers, now will have to go even into deeper denial. In the past, they said nothing would be found there. And anyone that reported seeing the Ark there, was pretty much dismissed as a liar. Yet now we know, those people were telling us the truth. And those who dismissed their accounts, were wrong. Turkish officials will be asking the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status to protect the site, so a major archaelolgical dig can be conducted.
Campbell, the researchers are from an evangelical ministry. They're as credible as an astrologer claiming their position is astronomically supported.

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Unread 04-28-2010, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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It appears that a Chinese and Turkish evangelical team of explorers have discovered the remains of Noah's Ark. Carbon dating has shown the relics from the Ark to be 4,800 years old. Which would be around the time of the Biblical flood. This will be the first time in history that the Arks reality will be revealed to the world at large. The structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams that is believed were used to house animals. It may be this is but one small section of the Ark, because over the years others have reported the Ark to have been broken up into three or four sections. Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaelolgical dig is conducted. This section was found at the 13,000 foot elevation. Other sections may be at the 15,000 foot elevation or greater. Wooden planks 8 inches wide and 65 feet long were found around the site. And without a doubt, this construction predated the use of metal nails. The location of this craft, is in the same location as stated in the Bible.

'Noah's Ark' found in Turkey | The Sun |News
No, they haven't.
 
Unread 04-28-2010, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Sometimes, on Saturday morning, I happen across the kid's cartoon channel en-route to, say, a replay of the previous night's NOVA special on the latest tweakings and discoveries from The Hubble Space Telescope. You know; new, interesting, thoughtful evidence that suggests certain possibilities? Food for thoughtful consideration.

On that kid's channel, I hear that old Woody Woodpecker "Who-ho-hoo-hey-hoo" call, and it briefly reminds me of my youth and innocence 45 years ago.

I get the same feeling of coming across an old silly cartoon when I see the frantic last-ditch efforts of the minority Christian fundamentalist sect who drag up an old discredited story from two years ago, one that was left in the lurch, unsubstantiated even then, and yet they try, through The Sun rag no less, to re-invigorate it as though something new , credible and mah-vel-us-lee exciting had actually been discovered out there.

Then, on top of that, we get complete subservient buy-in, capped with this amazing line, right from C34's mind:

"And since this is the first time in history, that a team has actually presented closeup pictures from inside the Ark. How can you pretend this is not happening?"


Q: Any assumptions here? 1: these pictures were indeed from up of Ararat. 2: they were from inside a boat, not a building. 3: that building (or possible but unlikely boat) is indeed, therefore, conclusively and absolutely, The Ark.

All absent any additional investigation or corroboration? Nahhh...... completely believable, yeppers!

So then we read about it further and discover that it's just a lightly camouflaged rehash, having not sold too well last time. But with no additional research or follow-up. Even the Turkish government won't get involved, and it's their baby, so to speak! And again, of course there will be no follow-up "report" from that non-existent Chinese "university".

A case of re'fried beans to be sure, with the same predictable outcome on "down the line", if you get the odorous drift.

So, you go for it, C34! It's your reputation after all.....

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Unread 04-28-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Yet it is obvious, much of what passes for science today, especially when speaking of evolution is based on wild assumptions. And many of these assumptions have little or no evidence to back up their claims.
Aha, another example of a christian burying it's head in the sand! Obviously you haven't even read Darwin, or any of Goulds works explaining it. As has been stated more than once "There is one principle guaranteed to keep a human being in everlasting ignorance, that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
 
Unread 04-28-2010, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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This story is just a rehash. But I did recently hear that some dude named Adam was found wandering in some garden looking for a missing rib.
 
Unread 04-28-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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Default Point by point commentary.

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Christians do not deny science, and in fact much of the science taught was established by Christians.

But much more of it was stoned or burnt in the public square...

Yet it is obvious, much of what passes for science today, especially when speaking of evolution is based on wild assumptions.

And yet, even more of what passes for knowledge today was forced onto illiterate peons by a terrorist church.

And many of these assumptions have little or no evidence to back up their claims.

But of course most do. In spades, and irrefutibly so.

Scripture continues to be confirmed by historical discovery.

Wishful, unsupportable Hog Twaddle.

And believers in evolution only wish they could match such discoveries for their side.

Hey! Tom's a comedian. Who'd have guessed?

The discovery of the Ark of Noah on Mt. Ararat, is just one more example for the truth of Scriptures.

Perhaps. When and if it ever happens. So far though, it's been a no-show for Mt. Ararat. Oh, and the Turks claim their own Ark, inside an Ark National Park, and a parking lot and a tourista stand and tourguides, and everything else! Of course, that proves theirs is The Ark!

Of course, to continue to fully believe in evolution, such discoveries must be ignored, and denied.
The Ark has nothing to do with Evolution. All those 100 million requisite Ark-bound animals had to come from somewhere of course.

You don't for a moment think someone just impossibly "wink-a-blinked" them all into instant existence do you? With near-identical DNA strands linked through their common ancestors? Now that would be really naive....
or blindered.

Especially with all the reams of credible evidence we have versus those Christian fairy-tale stories. Not just with some faked photos from inside an old mountain wooden shed either!

(his horrible reputation continues to build...)
 
Unread 04-28-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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YouTube - Me VS God Part I: Noah's Ark Debunked
 
Unread 04-28-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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Latest Ark finding is a fake : Pharyngula
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