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Old 05-26-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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I have appended my letter on interest to the noahsarksearch.net site. I am curious how they can get it all organized, for a mid-June launch, but I'm sure they have it all in hand for a launch only 3 - 4 weeks away, with a well-managed team of seasoned professional project managers, scientists, geologists and ice specialists.

I look forward to receiving their professionally generated information, and you, dear readers, will be the second to see it. If it's credible, and they are interested and have suitable and safe funding, hey; I may be talking to you guys from near the summit of Ararat!

Here's what I sent on today's date:
To: info@noahsarksearch.net



Re: Proposed Expedition to Mt. Ararat.

I am a senior career professional biologist, engineer and geologist with a very real interest in your proposed expedition to evaluate the possible Ark artifact on Mt. Ararat in turkey. My career background has, in the briefest summary, included the design of advanced research programs, their field completion, and the preparation and presentation of summary reports. In addition, I have prepared and reviewed several major, and many minor Project Environmental Impact Assessments and Mitigation Statements and have significant in-field study management, including geo-technical studies in conditions not unli9ke your study environment. Specifically, I studied in the Canadian and Alaskan Arctic, often in severe winter season conditions. Finally, I have had over 15 papers published in accredited journals.

However, I would first like to review your overall game plan, including your project Critical Path (a breakdown of each critical element and itís intended chronology), a summary list of key study elements and how you intend to accomplish them. A necessary concept to be managed is identification of specific details that will clarify or eliminate the artifact(s) as potentially verifiable ancient items. A detailed mapping of the site, the impact of your efforts on the site, the identification of individual objects within the site, as well as flawless video and still digital documentation, is critical to the veracity and credibility of this intriguing expedition. As well, an equipment list, including ice coring, rock drill, ground-penetrating radar sets, and GPS-based survey equipment will be required as minimum documentation support. Sample handling, including the training of staff in not contaminating samples, and in maintaining both their scientific validity and religious sanctity, should be a major goal of this work.

Finally, an interim report, provided by digital communication from on-site, would enhance your desired credibility, and a complete detailed report should be guaranteed within a very reasonable time after completion of the field work. Perhaps you can identify the report author(s), and management timeline.

Of course, project financial management needs to be very carefully documented, with a guarantorís provision of funding through all aspects of this fascinating study.

Please provide a prospectus of study objectives, research methods and equipment and the summary Cvs of team members identified to date, for my review. I will then provide additional information should you be interested in discussing my involvement further.

Regards:

Dr. "rifleman" (identity hidden here to protect the innocent)

 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Lethbridge, AB
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Interesting commentary, SJ. Incidentally, my wife and I were preparing some authentic Turkish food for a group the other day, and we came across, in a cook book no less, an oddly similar but far less magnificent and exaggerated flood myth that originated far before the biblical account, even including a peasant named Noah, and his efforts to save the herds of his fellow local farmers from an unusually high but localized river flood. He took on all available food for his family, and several others, but had to revert to beer after several days on board, as well as slightly moldy bulgar wheat.

Oh well, huh? Can't be related. The biblical Noah with a half-billion species on board... that must be the real thing. The Turkish Noah was prob'ly jus' doin' a test run of the craft design. Huh?
Of course it must have been a test run, things never get exagerrated as they're passed down. Maybe subsisting on a diet of beer and moldy wheat's the reason he ended up at the top of a mountain? Either way, I always figured it was rooted in something like that. Some farmer who got wise to a flood and got the hell out of Dodge.

I wonder if anybody's done any follow up on the mapping of the ancient Black Sea shoreline that National Geographic covered? There was speculaton that ice age flooding gave rise to the story (the area's right, and I can see that seeming like the whole world.).
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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I have appended my letter on interest to the noahsarksearch.net site.
I bet Campbell will tip 'em off!!
 
Old 05-26-2010, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Wink As the World Turns....

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I bet Campbell will tip 'em off!!
In that case, I'll sue. After all, I'm approaching this with complete objectivity and scientific legitimacy.

As well, if such subterfuge were to occur, the "subterfugist" would then fully understand, in his or her own mind, that his cause and beliefs were, in fact, spurious, superficial and unethical. Surely not good Christian behavior....

But given this expeditionary team have provided only a few weeks to review and select a team, prep all team members and equipment, fund their study and get everyone over there, it will be most interesting if it is in any way credible. Even absent my gracious presence, the final report will be very interesting.

Point is: I really do want it to be credibly done, with all my heart! I want to see a verifiable, well-documented and scientifically valid study, followed by a full report prepared by those who will not want their own reputations besmirched. No-one wants to attach their good name to a poorly done, inadequately funded or improperly designed field study of one of the most significant finds in religious history. Now, those with essentially nothing of value in their reputations to lose, but lots to gain financially, will be unaffected.

Let's see, shall we?
 
Old 05-26-2010, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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There's been lots of reputable, peer reviewed research into flooding at the end of the last ice age, when glaciers and ice caps melted. Unfortunately for your story, by the standards of ice age people, we're still flooded.

And frankly, 2 out of 3 tribes local to me (Blood, Sioux) have flood stories (Plains Cree do not). The only detail they share with the biblical story is water.

The Blackfoot (Blood) account states that the water didn't cover the mountaintops, nor was there an ark. A duck recovered soil from the bottom of the ocean, and new land was created.

The Sioux account has water rising up through the earth (being on the plains it's not surprising, as most flooding would have been meltwater). There was no ark. Everything, animals and all, was drowned. Life was created again from scratch. No Noah, though God himself had to wait out the flood floating on a tobacco pipe and pipe bag.

So, you're 0 for 3 so far. Would you like to make a wager on how many cultures have flood stories that parallel the biblical one?

Rational people have already connected the dots. You're trying to connect them to dots that don't exist in a vain attempt to draw an ark. It's not working.
Make it 0 for 4. My Nation (Comanche) has no flood story at all.
 
Old 05-26-2010, 12:34 PM
 
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Make it 0 for 4. My Nation (Comanche) has no flood story at all.
Well, fullback, as I'm sure you'll be told, with a scolding, waggling finger, it was just the firewater talking. Or not talking!

"Beware of White Eyes Bearing Gifts and Religion!"
 
Old 05-26-2010, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Well, fullback, as I'm sure you'll be told, with a scolding, waggling finger, it was just the firewater talking. Or not talking!

"Beware of White Eyes Bearing Gifts and Religion!"
Hehe...no doubt.
 
Old 05-27-2010, 08:31 AM
 
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It's just common sense, no 'worldview' or any other cliches. It can't rain 5+ miles of rain in 40 days, then all go away in a few months. You cannot build a boat big enough to house 1.5 million different species for 6+ months. Nor could a man and his sons even come close in a life time. Nor could you collect 2 of every species (1.5 million remember) in a life time. Nor could you ...... (it's a long long list)
Of course, rain alone did not flood the earth. And most of earths water is found in the earth, and not in it's seas. And it did not require 1.5 million different species to fill the ark. And it took Noah and his sons about 100 years to build the Ark, and that was with the help of God. Noah did not collect the animals, God brought them to him. And soon others will confirm the existance of the Ark on Mt. Ararat. And then where will your common sense be? Of course, you can always fall back an say anyone who confirms the Arks existance are liars.LOL Thats pretty much what I see on a number of these post now days anyway.
 
Old 05-27-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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Of course, rain alone did not flood the earth. And most of earths water is found in the earth, and not in it's seas. And it did not require 1.5 million different species to fill the ark. And it took Noah and his sons about 100 years to build the Ark, and that was with the help of God. Noah did not collect the animals, God brought them to him. And soon others will confirm the existance of the Ark on Mt. Ararat. And then where will your common sense be? Of course, you can always fall back an say anyone who confirms the Arks existance are liars.LOL Thats pretty much what I see on a number of these post now days anyway.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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And soon others will confirm the existance of the Ark on Mt. Ararat. And then where will your common sense be? Of course, you can always fall back an say anyone who confirms the Arks existance are liars.LOL Thats pretty much what I see on a number of these post now days anyway.

You're getting the cart before the horse again.WHEN some independent researchers and scientists confirm there is an ark there,THEN is the time to ask where will your common sense be.As it stands,you are in the same boat as someone believing that the world is going to end in 2012 because the Mayan calendar says so,and asking non believers "where will your common sense be then?".Let the supposed event happen first,THEN gloat.As of now you have nothing,and even other Christian ark explorers admit that.So not only do you disagree with people here,you disagree with Christian "experts" on the ark who say this is not it.All because of a desperate need to believe whatever is claimed by any old person who claims to have found the ark.
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