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Old 05-30-2010, 12:22 AM
 
Location: England
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It's called denial.

 
Old 05-30-2010, 12:31 AM
 
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It's called denial.
Big river!
 
Old 05-30-2010, 06:45 AM
 
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Oh of course!! If memory serves, Tom thinks his flood happened after 3,000 BCE yet Bible chronology dates it at 2304BCE. Odd how he cleaves so closely to the word of his god when it suits him and rejects it when it doesn't.
Actually, it is believed by many that the flood occured around 3000 BC. And Bible chronology is often up for debate based on different perspectives. Yet it should come as no surprise, that the wood carbon dated from the Ark found on Mt. Ararat in recent days, dated to around 4800 years. So you have what people believe based on the historical evidence, and you now have carbon dating that confirms those dates. Consider the link below.

Ancient Days :: A Universal Flood: 3000 BC :: by David Livingston
 
Old 05-30-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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How about it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. Thus it would have to rain at a rate of 8,709 inches per day, or a mere 362 inches or 30+ feet every single hour.

Of course water doesn't just rise, but it runs off, thus we should find perhaps millions, even billions of skeletons of human's and animals that were washed off the land and would have come to rest in all the river deltas around the planet. Have we found any such deposits Tom?




It was not just rain that help to flood the earth. Rain alone would not be able to accomplish this. Genesis 7:11 tells us. (THAT ALL THE FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP BURST FORTH), and the windows of the heavens were opened.

There are many examples of numerous dinosaur skeletons being found together in deposits. Consider the link below.

Dinosaur herd buried in Noah’s Flood in Inner Mongolia, China

Dinosaur footprints found in China

We also have examples of dinosaur foot prints together with human foot prints, yet believers in evolution simply say they are all fakes, and everyone who presents such evidence are all liars.
 
Old 05-30-2010, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It was not just rain that help to flood the earth. Rain alone would not be able to accomplish this. Genesis 7:11 tells us. (THAT ALL THE FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP BURST FORTH), and the windows of the heavens were opened.
What the heck are the windows of heaven...Tell me you just made that up, like all the other stuff you type here...It's all just figments of peoples imagination.

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There are many examples of numerous dinosaur skeletons being found together in deposits. Consider the link below.

Dinosaur herd buried in Noah’s Flood in Inner Mongolia, China

Dinosaur footprints found in China
Yeah right. About what we would expect from "Creation Ministries" They are also either deluded or more outright liars.
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We also have examples of dinosaur foot prints together with human foot prints, yet believers in evolution simply say they are all fakes, and everyone who presents such evidence are all liars.
Yes, because they are all fakes and frauds and the folks who push them ARE all liars. The people who believe them are the gullible who are desperately clinging to their make believe stories....As P. T. Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute"
 
Old 05-30-2010, 09:31 AM
 
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I asked him this question some time ago and if I recall correctly, he came out with some nonsense about flawed scientific dating methods giving the wrong dates for these civilisations.

So the method invented by scientists is wrong when it gives dates he doesn't like,but is cited with no problem when he wants it to give a date he does like?

Why does this total lack of integrity not surprise me?
 
Old 05-30-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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So the method invented by scientists is wrong when it gives dates he doesn't like,but is cited with no problem when he wants it to give a date he does like?
You have it in a nutshell! Tom will accept scientific dating methods providing they return dated within his 'young Earth' time frame. As we see above, C14 dating is brilliant for putting his ark wood where he wants it. If the wood had returned a C14 date of 40,000 years you would have heard him sreaming about how unreliable C14 is.

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Old 05-30-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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Actually, it is believed by many that the flood occured around 3000 BC. And Bible chronology is often up for debate based on different perspectives.
So when the Bible adds up to 2304BCE...it's wrong?
 
Old 05-30-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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So the method invented by scientists is wrong when it gives dates he doesn't like,but is cited with no problem when he wants it to give a date he does like?

Why does this total lack of integrity not surprise me?




Dates of 4,800 years are well within the limits of scientific dating. Dates of millions or billions of years, is but wild speculation. I consider what is reasonable. Accepting what is reasonable, has nothing to do with a lack of intergrity.
 
Old 05-30-2010, 10:27 AM
 
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Smile A bit of truth-chanting can do wonders for the addled mind....

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I take it Campbell hasn't given up yet, despite the stupidity of the Ark claim?
Not likely.

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Oh of course!! If memory serves, Tom thinks his flood happened after 3,000 BCE yet Bible chronology dates it at 2304BCE. Odd how he cleaves so closely to the word of his god when it suits him and rejects it when it doesn't.
Selective Beliefs of Convenience.

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It was not just rain that help to flood the earth. Rain alone would not be able to accomplish this. Genesis 7:11 tells us. (THAT ALL THE FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP BURST FORTH), and the windows of the heavens were opened.

There are many examples of numerous dinosaur skeletons being found together in deposits. Consider the link below.

Dinosaur herd buried in Noah’s Flood in Inner Mongolia, China

Dinosaur footprints found in China

We also have examples of dinosaur foot prints together with human foot prints, yet believers in evolution simply say they are all fakes, and everyone who presents such evidence are all liars.
When they find a dinosaur nest, yeah, I and others who have some experience in observing and documenting the behavior of animals in the wild are hardly surprised. We've found elephant cemeteries as well, and herd die-offs from time to time for other species. But to find a world-wide layer of death for every living organism?

Now that would be sum-thin', huh? Oddly, we have never found such an artifact. Far from it, in fact. We do find them in various different sedimentary layers, in fact.

Hmmm... that word "fact" keeps sneaking in here...

And Tom, just to remind you, because your memory is obviously going, the lone discredited claimant for the ONE known casting of a human foot overlaying the dino footprint...

(versus your now-predictable over-reaching exaggeration: "We also have examples of dinosaur foot prints together with human foot prints" No, we don't, Tom.)

...had previously purchased the casting from his friend back when it had not been altered, and then, according to his granddaughter's later testimony, he'd admitted to the family he'd faked it so as to make some much-needed money. A typical human failing; hoaxing for dollars, but as well, in this case, it's Lying for Jesus.

Quite the commendation. To add insult to his ethically damning behavior, so many people who just really want to, outright parrot his first completely dishonest claim.

Finally, the latest "hi-def" carbon dating you so love (to hate/embrace/deny/accept) proves all the fossils we've found to be far in excess of 300, or even 1 million, years old. Tough luck on that one, huh?

Here's a couple of sentences you should earnestly practice before posting them here, and for once at least, you'd be considered honest and technically correct:

"Actually, tens of thousands of independent scientists from several equally independent disciplines have found and documented literally hundreds of thousands of dinosaur fossils from across the globe, and have independently and conservatively dated those to ages ranging from 40 million to 250 million years old.

However, they have never found even one credible example of a dino fossil co-mingled directly with hominid remains."


Got it? Keep practicing them, because I just know telling the truth on-line here for once would make you feel so... so... honest!
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