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It does, but once again, you're expecting Christians to be perfect. If we were perfect, Christ would not have had to come & give His life as a "substitute" for us.
Have you ever attempted something such as losing weight or quitting smoking, & suffered some setbacks? Everyone has. The flesh is weak.
It does, but once again, you're expecting Christians to be perfect. If we were perfect, Christ would not have had to come & give His life as a "substitute" for us.
Oh no, jimmie. I am waaaaay long past expecting Christians to be perfect. My issues are not and have never been with Christians.
My issue is with the incompetent god that Christianity requires.
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Have you ever attempted something such as losing weight or quitting smoking, & suffered some setbacks? Everyone has. The flesh is weak.
That's the Christian's excuse. What is the comparable excuse for the Christian god?
Then why did you have a problem with my earlier statement?
A problem? I had no problem. I was putting as fine a point as possible on the failure of your god to deliver an understandable standard for Christians themselves to follow.
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You didn't answer my question. I don't expect an answer.
A problem? I had no problem. I was putting as fine a point as possible on the failure of your god to deliver an understandable standard for Christians themselves to follow.
Understanding God's standard is not the problem. It's right there for us to read. The problem is, we're weak & cannot follow it without making mistakes.
Understanding God's standard is not the problem. It's right there for us to read. The problem is, we're weak & cannot follow it without making mistakes.
That's a completely different discussion.
The discussion we were having did not have to do with an being a "good Christian" as an individual.
It had to do with different Christian sects "excommunicating" (for the sake of a better word) each other because they disagree on the very definition of what makes a Christian.
I mean, if I were a Christian, I would actually have a couple expectations of god. First and foremost would be the ability to deliver a single volume of unambiguous prose. It is not the Christian tendency to break the rules that I have a problem with. It is the inability of god to deliver a set of rules than everybody can even understand in the first place.
God never speaks for himself -- it is always the case that humans put words in God's mouth. This why religion is a system of falsehood, with the goal of control, by means of coercion.
The discussion we were having did not have to do with an being a "good Christian" as an individual.
It had to do with different Christian sects "excommunicating" (for the sake of a better word) each other because they disagree on the very definition of what makes a Christian.
I mean, if I were a Christian, I would actually have a couple expectations of god. First and foremost would be the ability to deliver a single volume of unambiguous prose. It is not the Christian tendency to break the rules that I have a problem with. It is the inability of god to deliver a set of rules than everybody can even understand in the first place.
Some churches follow God's Word, some follow society.
The debate on God or no God has stricken our generation moreso than any other. Here is my philosophy on the matter:
Say that you are an Atheist...you dont believe in God or you hate God...
When you die, you have a 50% chance of being wrong. No person on this earth would gamble their careers, homes, cars, and other belongings on a 50% chance. Why gamble the future away? Consider this: what if God does exist? what if you are wrong? what if when you die you go to hell? Was it worth being skeptical? If God doesn't exist, then when you die, you will reincarnate or walk the earth as a spirit or whatever you believe. Then you can say you were right. But that 50% chance is still lurking in the back of your mind until you die. Why take that chance? Believe in God, take a chance, and at least if we are all wrong you wont have anything to lose when you die.
An old and long discredited "argument."
In order to safeguard yourself against eternal torment, you'd have to believe in all gods that promise some fantasy after-death paradise or hell. But then, most claim that they're the exclusive deciders of who gets in. And you have to disavow all other deities or else you're off their list.
Believe your way out of that one.
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Pascal's wager...
