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Old 04-28-2010, 06:15 PM
 
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The other thread is too long to wade through, and it supposes that Satan is a cherub named Lucifer, putting together Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 passages.

Lucifer is not a name, and means light bearer. Lest anyone tell you that Lucifer means day star, they err, biblically, as Jesus Christ is the Day Star, and He also will give the "Day Star" to His own.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
Satan was always just what he is, and has never, ever been called a fallen angel or a rebel Cherub, and has never been "kicked out of Eden", nor has he taken up rebellion against God. He does what he was created to do, serving as a tempter/tester/of men and angels, who then serves as prosecuting attorney before the throne against the saints, to accuse them and "get the spoils", or else to accuse them and get to "sift them like wheat", so as to try to get the spoils. Everyone gets tested and is tried and proved before the regeneration of the heavens and the earth. The rejects are cast aways, and Satan and his angels get to torment them in the Lake of Fire forever.
There is much ancient writing in Enoch and in Jewish writings that show that there is a host of Satans, with one chief, and that they were made exactly to do what they do and they serve God by doing it -and they get the spoils of the rejects, for themselves to torment in the lake of fire.

The lake of fire was made for Satan and his angels -they are not and were not holy angels. They were made/created as h1961 היה hayah - as the spirits in heaven who are all called satans, and who tempt, test, and try men and angels.


The serpent in the Garden was "subtil" by creation, not covered. Adam became not subtil, not covered, when he fell, and Adam got cast out of the Garden, not the serpent.


The serpent was h1961 היה hayah, and
crafty h6175 ערום `aruwm

Now that Adam fell [we are all Adam, as to our race], Adam's race is not covered, and is also subtil, naked
`-eyrom, from h6175 ערום `aruwm.

Now the Adam race is like the serpent and the Adam race is no longer sons of God [as Adam was made to be -Luke 3:38], and are become like the serpent,
h6175 ערום `aruwm.


The Cherub in Ezekiel is not a Satan, and may or may not refer to Adam, as the spirit of the race, in speaking of the spirit of the rebellion of Adam [which is a dead spirit since the fall and is no longer covered with the glory, and is as subtil as the serpent].

Adam only, was cast out of the Garden, not the serpent. The King James version is faulty in its translation of the passage in Ezekiel because of translator bias, not because of the Hebrew.


Also, for those die-hards who want the cherub to be Satan, let them be aware that they have no biblical foundation for such a claim, and they are themselves only following myths of men who were illiterate in the Hebrew, and who were hellenized men who were cut off from the roots of the Christian faith, Judaism, and the revelations of Enoch the prophet, seventh from Adam.
The Cherubim of God's Garden and throne are reported in the Bible as being living creatures who have:
1 four faces [ox, Adam/man, eagle and lamb], and four wings, hands like Adam, and calf feet;
2 two faces [ox and lion],
or else the ophannim [wrongly translated wheel in the English in Ezekiel chapter 1 and 10] have the four faces, and the Cherubim have the two -The "wheels" are the "Ophannim", and they are also the four living creatures in Revelation, seen by John and described by Enoch, who are named in Enoch, and their duties are told of in Enoch. One of whom "fends off the satans who come before the throne to accuse the saints".
Revelation is a companion book to 1 Enoch, and anyone without Enoch cannot understand Revelation, as Jesus gave it, for it finishes what Enoch began to see and wrote of, which he was given by revelation to write of, before the flood.

At any rate, the face of the cherub is an ox, in Ezekiel 10. This is not a serpent. And "lucifer" is not a name, in the Hebrew of Isaiah 14.



From Ezekiel 10
And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
And their feet [were] straight feet; and the sole of their feet [was] like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
And [they had] the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man/Adam, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

The "face" of a cherub is an ox.

Eze 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face [was] the face of a cherub, and the second face [was] the face of a man/Adam, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

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Old 05-05-2010, 08:17 AM
 
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Nice post. I had a tape from Bill Britton on this subject, much in line with your thread. His understanding explained so much to me, I have held to this as the most plausible explanation, and still do!

Blessings!
Brian
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Old 07-13-2015, 08:05 PM
 
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Satan and his angels were made my God to tempt us and Gods angels? Even the Bible says God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone.
Plus God is purely good, purely love and 100% holy so he cannot create evil. Evil is only an absence of God or distortion of His truths.
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Old 07-14-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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Satan and his angels were made my God to tempt us and Gods angels? Even the Bible says God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone.
Plus God is purely good, purely love and 100% holy so he cannot create evil. Evil is only an absence of God or distortion of His truths.
Uh...no....
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:02 PM
 
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Satan was a magnificent archangel who attempted to knock God off the throne and his name was Lucifer
or in Hebrew helel
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:03 PM
 
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hey...if some guy that doesn't even know the name of Jesus says so....
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Satan was a magnificent archangel who attempted to knock God off the throne and his name was Lucifer
or in Hebrew helel
I would like to read more about this story. Where in the Bible might I find it?
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Old 07-14-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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Satan was a magnificent archangel who attempted to knock God off the throne and his name was Lucifer
or in Hebrew helel
You are so off on that...
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Old 07-14-2015, 06:41 PM
 
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Satan and his angels were made my God to tempt us and Gods angels? Even the Bible says God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone.
Plus God is purely good, purely love and 100% holy so he cannot create evil. Evil is only an absence of God or distortion of His truths.
Agree.

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Satan was a magnificent archangel who attempted to knock God off the throne and his name was Lucifer
or in Hebrew helel
Agree.

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You are so off on that...
I don't understand why the two posts that I agree with you find to be "off". Who Is Satan?: What Does the Bible Say About the Devil? So, where on earth or beyond are you coming from? I am endlessly curious and mean no disrespect of your beliefs.
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Old 07-16-2015, 03:58 AM
 
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Actually satan and his authority in the earth and on people lives come through the demons that disrupt flesh of the abdomen,............... demons that disrupt the cognitive mind of man and animals ...............,demons that disrupt the mobilities of man ,................. and demons which disrupt the glands of man ,.................. then there is fallen angels which are serpents who hold authority of pride..........., and self promotion , ...........and lust ,...... and intimidation ,......... and fallen angels of liberalism which hold authority of arts of the world and religions of the world that God never ordained ............., then there are fallen angels of greed and wealth minded authority ,............ and then there is the powers of darkness who hold the power over flesh and the will of man to continue to sin and hurt themselves ..................then there is fallen angels who disrupt the weather of the earth .....See through the spirit , satan is a whole army of trouble
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