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No Genesis creation.
Humanity is much more than 6000 years old as we know from cave paintings and suchlike and we evolved from other ape like creatures, being closely related to chimpanzees as proven by hominid fossil record, DNA, endogenous retroviruses, pseudogenes etc.
No Noachian Flood.
The survival of Egypt's "Old Kingdom", and the total lack of all the massive geological evidence that a recent worldwide inundation would inevitably leave behind (massive runoff channels, massive water erosion, total disruption of Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheet layers, and so forth).
No Tower of Babel
Pretty self-explanatory, this. No sign of any pre-Babel "common language" in written records, no sign of any post-Babel "confusion of languages" towards the end of the second millennium BCE (the time of Babel).
No Exodus.
No trace of the movement of several million people through the Sinai desert, no trace of their supposed encampment at Kadesh Barnea for many years.
No Conquest of Caanan.
The Hebrews are Caananites. Their language evolved from Caananite (after the supposed Exodus), and their religion evolved from Caananite polytheism. We know this from Caananite records (notably the Ugaritic texts).
No "Golden Age" of Solomon.
This "great empire" was never mentioned in the records of other surrounding civilizations.
Failure of Ezekiel's "Tyre Prophecy".
Ezekiel falsely predicted that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon would take and permanently destroy Tyre. But Tyre survived Nebby's 13-year siege. Apologists have sought to cut this prophecy into 2 parts and have Alexander fulfil the second part centuries later (as he DID take Tyre), but this merely creates two failures where there was previously one: Nebby failed to take Tyre as prophesied, Alex failed to permanently destroy Tyre as prophesied.
Failure of Ezekiel's "Egypt Prophecy".
After the failure of the Tyre prophecy, Ezekiel promised Egypt to Nebby as compensation. Nebby was to ransack Egypt so thoroughly that it would be uninhabited for 40 years. Historical records show that this did not happen.
Failure of the "Babylon Prophecy" (Isaiah and Jeremiah).
Both of these prophesied that the Medes would take and permanently destroy Babylon. But the Medes were conquered by the Persians, who then went on to peacefully take (and not destroy) Babylon.
Numerous historical inaccuracies in Daniel.
While Daniel was supposedly written in the 6th century BC, it was actually written four centuries later and gets many details wrong.
Herod/Quirinius issue (Luke's Jesus born a decade after Matthew's Jesus).
Matthew's Jesus was born in Herod's time: Luke's Jesus was born at least a decade later, when Quirinius was governor of the region (as confirmed by various historical sources).
No "Massacre of the Innocents".
We have accounts from Herod's enemies, describing his various "crimes". The Massacre is not among them. It was invented by Matthew to draw a parallel between Jesus and Moses (who also supposedly survived an infant massacre, by Pharaoh).
No "zombie invasion of Jerusalem" or "supernatural darkness" (easily-noticed large-scale miracles).
Again, pretty self-explanatory. The dead supposedly rose from their graves and wandered about in Jerusalem, and there was supposedly a supernatural darkness for several hours: numerous historians in the vicinity failed to notice these, as did all the gospel authors except one: obviously invented.
Will that do to go on with?
I agree with nearly everything you say. I will further discuss one statement. It is partially true that we evolved from ape like creatures who unlike the others walked upright but one needs to back up a bit further for the whole story. This planet was amassed with huge ferocious creatures bigger than a truck and capable of running forty miles an hour when in pursuit of prey for tens of thousands if not millions of years. Modern scientists have proven that some massive event took them out approximately 65 million years ago when the atmosphere was clouded and filled with particulate matter and the rays of the sun were blocked for so many seasons that they all died. At that time only the subterranian creatures survived. The small rodent like mammals living in burrows beneath the surface of the earth had to either feed on similar smaller species or insects to maintain it's own. That and what was deep beneath the sea waters were the only survivors of that earth shaking disaster. We forget what all can happen in millions of years. Those mammals were the last origin of our evolution.
It's a good thing that from time to time various catastrophes occurred for a natural thinning of the species else over population and wars over food might have been catastrophic long before now. Our present day supplies of oil come from the remains of the destroyed life 65 million years ago...further proving that because of the abundance of oil that the first life forms originated and thrived in the warm seas of the middle east.
Last edited by Melvin.George; 05-09-2010 at 05:02 AM..
Evidence for evolution does not disprove the notion that God created the world. Science in general has nothing to say on whether or not God exists. Religion is not science and science is not religion. They address different questions. And saying "nature is not a god" doesn't prove anything. Are you the one who gets to determine what the definition of a god is? And asking for evidence of nature being a God or God acting through nature would be like asking the fish in an aquarium to prove that a higher being (a human) actually filled up the tank with water and keeps the filter running. From the perspective inside the tank the water just is and the filter runs naturally. No need for outside forces, right?
If there was death before "original sin" the entire theology of the bible is debunked.
Through science, we know that animals and even humans lived and died before Adam and Eve ate of the fruit.
If there was death before "original sin" the entire theology of the bible is debunked.
Through science, we know that animals and even humans lived and died before Adam and Eve ate of the fruit.
Actually it was the wretched female Eve who ate the fruit. Adam was just along for the ride. Ancient mankind wrote the rules to subjugate women in most of the religious beliefs which have ever come along.
I loved it recently when Bill Maher said that all the Muslims wanted was to be left alone so they could beat their women and hide their faces from other men...IN PEACE!
Last edited by Melvin.George; 05-09-2010 at 05:35 PM..
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