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Old 05-06-2010, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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So,

Do you have any evidence to prove that the universe came to be by chance?

If you can prove that the universe came to be by chance, that would go a long way towards proving that atheism is true and there is probably no God.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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So,

Do you have any evidence to prove that the universe came to be by chance?

If you can prove that the universe came to be by chance, that would go a long way towards proving that atheism is true and there is probably no God.
Would you listen if we did or would you just ignore the answers like you have in your other posts?
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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The only problem with your challenge (and I bring it up even though I'm not an atheist) is that you create thin ice for you, yourself to stand on. Because you can't prove that the universe came into being other than by chance. Quoting passages from the Bible is hardly "proof."
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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So,

Do you have any evidence to prove that the universe came to be by chance?

If you can prove that the universe came to be by chance, that would go a long way towards proving that atheism is true and there is probably no God.
Yes...we have scientific evidence of evolution and of the origins of the universe. Even if there was none to be had, why would you assume and accept that the religious explanation was correct, even without a single shred of evidence, but you'd reject the scientific explanation if there was no evidence?

It never ceases to amaze me that religious people will ignore all kinds of evidence and plausible theories backed by scientific evidence, but they are ready to believe at the drop of a hat that the world was created and is controlled by some nebulous supernatural entity without a shred of evidence beyond a book written by men that says its so. It just boggles the mind.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Yes...we have scientific evidence of evolution and of the origins of the universe. Even if there was none to be had, why would you assume and accept that the religious explanation was correct, even without a single shred of evidence, but you'd reject the scientific explanation if there was no evidence?

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So you have proof that the Big Bang and Evolution came about by mere chance?
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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. Quoting passages from the Bible is hardly "proof."
Which quotes have I used?
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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Chance is a human construct, a human perception, essentially an exercise in math. You can no more prove "chance" exists than you can objectively prove it is seven o'clock on the sun.

We perceive that certain environmental conditions result in certain occurrences. We, as humans, use the construct of math to quantify things, "chance" is the mathematical construct used to quantify which conditions result in what occurrences.

Chance is not an empirical law any more than "order" and "chaos", "hot" and "cold", or "black" and "white".
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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So,

Do you have any evidence to prove that the universe came to be by chance?

If you can prove that the universe came to be by chance, that would go a long way towards proving that atheism is true and there is probably no God.
Chance, like randomness is just a placeholder word for what we don't currently. The universe didn't come about by chance in the way you are referring to it. Just because we don't know the origin doesn't mean god is the answer.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Do you have any evidence to prove that the universe came to be by chance?
The universe did not "come to be by chance." There is further no good reason to suspect it ever "came to be" at all. You are addressing a straw man.

The evidence is that the universe is eternal and uncreated.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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So you have proof that the Big Bang and Evolution came about by mere chance?
Neither came about "by mere chance." Both are the result of invariant natural law.
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