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I am starting this thread because I have asked this question a few times in other threads related to Noah and it is almost always ignored,due, probably,to there being no easy "the Bible says so" answer to it.
First though,this thread is NOT about whether the ark has been found.There are threads for that. Please be respectful of the intent of this thread and go to those if you wish to argue this point.My point here is the problems of there ever being an ark to begin with,due to some problematic issues for it's existence.
Let us begin with the kangaroos.Simply asked,how did they get to the Middle east from Australia.The only beginnings of an answer I ever received on this question was the claim that the earth had once been a solid continent and that the oceans and separate continents were formed after the Flood when parts of the worldwide continent collapsed and filled with water.This is so amateurish and at a kindergarten level of scientific understanding as to wonder if an adult was actually serious in giving such a childish answer.Anyone with a shred of scientific understanding is capable of grasping the basics of plate tectonics,the creation of new ocean floor along the mid Atlantic ridge,and of seeing that if there was some kind of collapse the west coast of Africa and the east coasts of N and S America could not possibly collapse in such a way as to fit together like a glove.It is evident to any 6th grader able to look at a map and learn the location of the plates that the coasts once were joined.In addition,the rocks of western Europe are geologically almost identical with the rocks of eastern N America,which could only happen if they were once joined.There are reams of scientific evidence of this.Which means that there was no recent big continent in which kangaroos from Oz and llamas from S America strolled to the ark on dry ground.So how did they get there?And then,once off the ark,how did they get back?Why did the kangaroos dutifully hop back to Oz?Why none anywhere else in the world after they got off the ark?
A complication for Noah.... The two families that make up the kangaroos and wallabies include about 60 species of marsupials. Together, their natural ranges extend through most of Australia, Tasmania, New Guinea and some nearby islands.
Another complication for Noah.There is no records of many developed civilizations dying off.The Egyptian culture plows right on through the time they were supposedly wiped out.How did this happen?Same with the Australian aborigines.Same with the S American cultures.How did all these people have a civilization,die off,and then go right back and pick up their history ?Or rather,how did they continue on existing when the ark believers insist they were all killed?Why is Egyptian history not wiped out at the point of the flood until Noah's kids repopulated it again?The mesoamericans?The aborigines?
Did somebody forget to inform all of them that they drowned in a worldwide flood?
I am starting this thread because I have asked this question a few times in other threads related to Noah and it is almost always ignored,due, probably,to there being no easy "the Bible says so" answer to it.
First though,this thread is NOT about whether the ark has been found.There are threads for that. Please be respectful of the intent of this thread and go to those if you wish to argue this point.My point here is the problems of there ever being an ark to begin with,due to some problematic issues for it's existence.
Let us begin with the kangaroos.Simply asked,how did they get to the Middle east from Australia.The only beginnings of an answer I ever received on this question was the claim that the earth had once been a solid continent and that the oceans and separate continents were formed after the Flood when parts of the worldwide continent collapsed and filled with water.This is so amateurish and at a kindergarten level of scientific understanding as to wonder if an adult was actually serious in giving such a childish answer.Anyone with a shred of scientific understanding is capable of grasping the basics of plate tectonics,the creation of new ocean floor along the mid Atlantic ridge,and of seeing that if there was some kind of collapse the west coast of Africa and the east coasts of N and S America could not possibly collapse in such a way as to fit together like a glove.It is evident to any 6th grader able to look at a map and learn the location of the plates that the coasts once were joined.In addition,the rocks of western Europe are geologically almost identical with the rocks of eastern N America,which could only happen if they were once joined.There are reams of scientific evidence of this.Which means that there was no recent big continent in which kangaroos from Oz and llamas from S America strolled to the ark on dry ground.So how did they get there?And then,once off the ark,how did they get back?Why did the kangaroos dutifully hop back to Oz?Why none anywhere else in the world after they got off the ark?
An honest answer to this would be appreciated .
You are presuming the Genesis flood to have been world wide. What would be your hermeneutical reasoning for making such a presumption?
You are presuming the Genesis flood to have been world wide. What would be your hermeneutical reasoning for making such a presumption?
25 years in a Southern Baptist church listening to the preachers preach exactly this.Perhaps your view is that is was not worldwide.Good for you.That is not the normal literalist interpretation though,and that one is the one I am referring to here.Besides,a regional flood would not exact judgement on the whole world of sinners,which WAS the whole point of the exercise.
I am starting this thread because I have asked this question a few times in other threads related to Noah and it is almost always ignored,due, probably,to there being no easy "the Bible says so" answer to it.
An honest answer to this would be appreciated.
You have your mind made up already, so why do you ask?
The land mass was one, in the beginning. The Bible says so.
The people were one people in the beginning. The Bible says so.
The language was one language, in the beginning. The Bible says so.
The Tower of Babel rebellion caused the LORD to divide the tongue, separate the people -even more than by tongue- by dividing the one land mass, and to shorten the lives of Adamkind; and all this began at the overthrow of the tower.
isolation of people, plants, and animals happened because of the land mass dividing, and this began when Abraham was 49 years old, according to the Correct/Upright Record =the Book of Jasher[http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/home.html].
-and how do you know that there are no kangaroos anywhere other than Australia and the islands nearby? -Have you searched the world, all over, to prove that they do not live anywhere else?
You have your mind made up already, so why do you ask?
The land mass was one, in the beginning. The Bible says so.
The people were one people in the beginning. The Bible says so.
The language was one language, in the beginning. The Bible says so.
The Tower of Babel rebellion caused the LORD to divide the tongue, separate the people -even more than by tongue- by dividing the one land mass, and to shorten the lives of Adamkind; and all this began at the overthrow of the tower.
isolation of people, plants, and animals happened because of the land mass dividing, and this began when Abraham was 49 years old, according to the Correct/Upright Record =the Book of Jasher[http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/home.html].
-and how do you know that there are no kangaroos anywhere other than Australia and the islands nearby? -Have you searched the world, all over, to prove that they do not live anywhere else?
The Bible says so.The Bible says so.
There are no fossils,records,historical mention,nothing,of kangaroos outside of Oz.Do YOU have any proof of any kind that they did occur naturally outside of the Oz area?No?So your best response is how do I know?Well,because something resembling a 6' mouse hopping around on huge feet is just the sort of animal that would get noticed and mentioned in historical records.
Seems unlikely that you'll get any honest answers. It's sort of like asking whether or not the three bears (whose house was broken into by Goldilocks) could really make porridge, sit in chairs, and sleep in beds. Isn't it possible the Noah's ark story was recorded as just a traditional tale people told their children at the time? Just wondering.
Another complication for Noah.There is no records of many developed civilizations dying off.The Egyptian culture plows right on through the time they were supposedly wiped out.How did this happen?Same with the Australian aborigines.Same with the S American cultures.How did all these people have a civilization,die off,and then go right back and pick up their history ?Or rather,how did they continue on existing when the ark believers insist they were all killed?Why is Egyptian history not wiped out at the point of the flood until Noah's kids repopulated it again?The mesoamericans?The aborigines?
Did somebody forget to inform all of them that they drowned in a worldwide flood?
thats a very good point--however i think the kangaroos grew wings and flew over
As honest as it can get; It's a fairy tale, fable, urban legend, fiction. Perhaps a story of a local flood that went viral.
To cover the earth with water in 40 days, it would have to rain at a rate of 600 inches per hour. That simple fact should clearly move this fable deep into the fiction section.
You ask about kangaroos from Australia. How about polar bears and penguins from the opposite poles of the earth?
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