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Read what I am about to say very carefully, where in your sacred book does your Christian Godsay that he authored it? Your Christian God did not author anything, it is merely somebody else's opinion as to what they think should be written, those individuals are the authors of your sacred book and as such are subject to their interpretation of the events that happened at that particular time. Does not make it true.
2Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2Peter 1:19-21
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Mr. 5150, this thread was started to ask whether it's possible to debate Christianity without the use of its sacred book. And you quote from that very book. Looks like the question has been answered.
Mr. 5150, this thread was started to ask whether it's possible to debate Christianity without the use of its sacred book. And you quote from that very book. Looks like the question has been answered.
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Originally Posted by ptsum
Read what I am about to say very carefully, where in your sacred book does your Christian God say that he authored it? Your Christian God did not author anything, it is merely somebody else's opinion as to what they think should be written, those individuals are the authors of your sacred book and as such are subject to their interpretation of the events that happened at that particular time. Does not make it true.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2Peter 1:19-21
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Okay let's use this as an example,the authors (Timothy and Peter) of these statements, state that their God is the inspiration of these writings and yet they are the ones writing them not their God,so it is merely their opinion that they are writing about,not their Gods,and like I said before,just because it's written doesn't mean it's true.
So,is it really possible to debate Christianity without the use of its sacred book?
Of course it is. Many people became followers of Jesus from Jesus and the Apostles' teachings before the Bible was written down or compiled. For most of Christian history, the Bible has not been the primary source of trying to convert people or teach people about Jesus, but rather the Bishops' (who were/ are considered to have succeeded the Apostles) teachings and conferral of the sacraments. The Bible is also an important source of Christian authority and a valuable tool for teaching people about Jesus. But whether one uses the Bible, the sacraments, preaching, song, art, etc. the point is to introduce people to Jesus. Even the Bible (in John) says the "the Word was God." Some coming to faith in God is what is important, no matter in what way.
Of course it is. Many people became followers of Jesus from Jesus and the Apostles' teachings before the Bible was written down or compiled. For most of Christian history, the Bible has not been the primary source of trying to convert people or teach people about Jesus, but rather the Bishops' (who were/ are considered to have succeeded the Apostles) teachings and conferral of the sacraments. The Bible is also an important source of Christian authority and a valuable tool for teaching people about Jesus. But whether one uses the Bible, the sacraments, preaching, song, art, etc. the point is to introduce people to Jesus. Even the Bible (in John) says the "the Word was God." Some coming to faith in God is what is important, no matter in what way.
You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the question and gave a pretty good answer, so let me ask you this and I have a number of questions. Do you think that this Jesus would approve of that sacred book and the religion that has come about in his name, and do you think it's not possible that his followers could have completely misunderstood what he was teaching and decided to use his name to start a religion of their own. No disrespect to Christianity, just something to think about and question.
Mr. 5150, this thread was started to ask whether it's possible to debate Christianity without the use of its sacred book. And you quote from that very book. Looks like the question has been answered.
You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the question and gave a pretty good answer, so let me ask you this and I have a number of questions. Do you think that this Jesus would approve of that sacred book and the religion that has come about in his name,
Yes. Why would He not?
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Originally Posted by ptsum
and do you think it's not possible that his followers could have completely misunderstood what he was teaching and decided to use his name to start a religion of their own. No disrespect to Christianity, just something to think about and question.
No, it's not possible. God has ordained all Scripture to be useful & profitable.
No, it's not possible. God has ordained all Scripture to be useful & profitable.
Stop and think about what you have just said here, you're saying that you're Christian God has ordained all Scripture, how do you know that? Is it because somebody wrote something in that sacred book that says that you're Christian God ordained it. That's just somebody else's opinion.
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