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If you were going to make a religion, wouldn't you put in there that "false prophets" would emerge, and lead people astray?
Isn't it just an excuse to try and hold people back. When the majority of people start realizing that the "truths" they've been told for year about their religion are lies, aren't false prophets perfect patsies?
It's "Revelation." No "s." As in "the revelation of John," whoever that is.
As I see it, after being a bible-toting Presbyterian for 48 years, it seems that if a group, i.e., religious sect, wants all the power to themselves, they would make up all their own rules and warn their victims, er... followers, to not believe anyone else.
The xtian religion has plenty of other scapegoats. They don't need any more!
One example that I learned about was that the ancient religions were mostly goddess-centered and the new xtian "god" had to get rid of them. The goddess-followers were all scared off or killed. Sorry, I don't know the book or verses, but read about ashrams (places of worship in the older religions) in their bible, and the warnings against women with special powers of divination, and how they would have to be killed if they persisted.
It's "Revelation." No "s." As in "the revelation of John," whoever that is.
As I see it, after being a bible-toting Presbyterian for 48 years, it seems that if a group, i.e., religious sect, wants all the power to themselves, they would make up all their own rules and warn their victims, er... followers, to not believe anyone else.
The xtian religion has plenty of other scapegoats. They don't need any more!
One example that I learned about was that the ancient religions were mostly goddess-centered and the new xtian "god" had to get rid of them. The goddess-followers were all scared off or killed. Sorry, I don't know the book or verses, but read about ashrams in their bible, and the warnings against women with special powers of divination, and how they would have to be killed if they persisted.
Sorry for the type o, my southern baptist upbringing rears its ugly head sometimes.
I can still remember vividly our pastor, telling us of the warning signs in the "revelations of St. John".
If you were going to make a religion, wouldn't you put in there that "false prophets" would emerge, and lead people astray?
I think you're greatly confused. According to Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus of Nazareth warned of false prophets (ie Simon Christ the Idumean, John Christ Bar Giora et al) but John of Patmos did not. He only claimed a False Prophet would appear in what he claims to be a prophetic vision as recorded in Revelation 9.
Prophets of all cultures generally use symbols, for their own safety, since people often didn't like the message and so killed the messenger.
The symbols allow those who are "enlightened" to know and understand.
As anyone's best guess, the symbolism is interpreted sort of like this:
Revelation 9:1 Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the abyss.
Falling or burning stars represent Pagan or bad spiritual powers. This is a spiritual power, namely Islam, and “he” is Mohammed whose false doctrines come from the “abyss.”
Revelation 9:2 He opened the shaft of the abyss and smoke rose out of it like smoke from a giant furnace. The sun and the air were darkened with smoke from the shaft.
The Sun represents earth-based authorities (here, political and secular leaders), while the air is the mental plane – thoughts and ideas.
Islamic teaching is that Jesus of Nazareth was a prophet, but did not die on the cross. When a Christian attempts to convert a Muslim and explains that Jesus of Nazareth died and was resurrected, this is very confusing to Muslims (the air darkened with smoke – clouding the mind and blocking the light -- which represents the TrueChurch or True Teachings), and why Christians nearly always fail to convert Muslims.
Revelation 9:3 Then out of the smoke came locusts onto the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth.
This and the next verse provide key clues that this is Islam. Biblically speaking, “locusts” come from the South (i.e. Saudi Arabia – the origin of Islam). The Muslim armies used a different war-fighting style their opponents never comprehended, which allowed a small force to easily overwhelm and destroy a larger force (repeatedly attack and withdraw with the main column while two other columns envelope on the flanks and pin – just like a scorpion attacks with its tail and pincers).
Revelation 9:4 They were told not to damage the grass of the earth, or any green plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their forehead.
These are uniquely Islamic teachings. Islamic doctrine and the Koran specifically forbid “scorched earth” policies “…not to damage the grass…plants or trees…”. There are no documented cases of Muslim armies burning orchards, vineyards or crop fields. On the other hand, the various Goth tribes were well know for their scorched earth policies, even burying rocks in the fields so they cannot be tilled.
Islamic doctrine and the Koran explicitly define an Infidel as a Pagan, idolater or unbeliever. Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians by definition are not Infidels. Moreover, Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians (in good standing) are a protected class, since they are classified as members of the “revealed religions.” Islamic teaching is that they all have the same god (Allah is not a name like Yahweh – it simply means lord or god – don’t forget that Arabic is South Semitic while Canaanite is Northwest Semitic both having split from the Amorite West Semitic branch and Hebrew originated from the Ugaritic dialect of Canaanite – so El, Elohe and Allah are cognates). Thus, Muslims, Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians have the “seal of god” (and that is also the used in the Koran), while all other religions do not.
Revelation 9:5 The locusts were not given permission to kill them, but only to torture them for five months, and their torture was like that of a scorpion when it stings a person.9:6 In those days people will seek death, but will not be able to find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them.
The last verse is descriptive of those chaffing under Muslim rule during the initial expansion. Muslims allowed members of the “revealed religions” to practice their religion, provided they did not proselytize or evangelize, and with numerous other restrictions, which also applied outside of religion (e.g. members of “revealed religions” can be tried in any court but Muslims can only be tried in Muslim courts and members of “revealed religions” cannot testify against Muslims).
Revelation9:7 Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns similar to gold, and their faces looked like men’s faces. 9:8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9:9 They had breastplates like iron breastplates, and the sound of their wings was like the noise of many horse-drawn chariots charging into battle. 9:10 They have tails and stingers like scorpions, and their ability to injure people for five months is in their tails.
These verses provide an expanded description of the locusts. The reference to gold further suggests the origin is Saudi Arabia confirming it is Islam (“Havilah…where there is gold”). The other references may be symbols related to Hamitic tribes of Saudi Arabia or standards (flags and other military symbols) that the Muslim armies carried with them into combat that are now forgotten. Taken as a whole, it suggests a military force bent on conquest.
Revelation 9:11 They have as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.
Both names mean “destroyer” in Greek and Hebrew. Note that their king and the “angel of the abyss” are one in the same. In other words the false prophet, Islam, is the destroyer.
The Muslim Empire constituted the same provinces that made up approximately one-third of the former Roman Empire (specifically the Dioceses of Asia, Orient, North Africa and Egypt, and most of the Diocese of Hispania Tarroconnesis).
The five month period in verses 9:5 and 9:10 “…but only to torture them for five months… injure people for five months…” contain prophetic time. Prophetic time is also symbolic. One prophecy day is equal to one calendar year.
Five prophecy months = 5 * 30 prophecy days = 150 prophecy days = 150 calendar years.
The time interval from the rise of Islam in 622 with the founding of Baghdad Khaliph, to the zenith of the Muslim (Arab) Empire in 772 is 150 years.
A lot of Christians would disagree with that, but then they're into the millenialism thing and like spreading fear, plus the though of an Armageddon and getting "raptured" apparently is exciting, but then they totally ignore Revelation 22:10.
I think you're greatly confused. According to Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus of Nazareth warned of false prophets (ie Simon Christ the Idumean, John Christ Bar Giora et al) but John of Patmos did not. He only claimed a False Prophet would appear in what he claims to be a prophetic vision as recorded in Revelation 9.
Prophets of all cultures generally use symbols, for their own safety, since people often didn't like the message and so killed the messenger.
The symbols allow those who are "enlightened" to know and understand.
As anyone's best guess, the symbolism is interpreted sort of like this:
Revelation 9:1 Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the abyss.
Falling or burning stars represent Pagan or bad spiritual powers. This is a spiritual power, namely Islam, and “he” is Mohammed whose false doctrines come from the “abyss.”
Revelation 9:2 He opened the shaft of the abyss and smoke rose out of it like smoke from a giant furnace. The sun and the air were darkened with smoke from the shaft.
The Sun represents earth-based authorities (here, political and secular leaders), while the air is the mental plane – thoughts and ideas.
Islamic teaching is that Jesus of Nazareth was a prophet, but did not die on the cross. When a Christian attempts to convert a Muslim and explains that Jesus of Nazareth died and was resurrected, this is very confusing to Muslims (the air darkened with smoke – clouding the mind and blocking the light -- which represents the TrueChurch or True Teachings), and why Christians nearly always fail to convert Muslims.
Revelation 9:3 Then out of the smoke came locusts onto the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth.
This and the next verse provide key clues that this is Islam. Biblically speaking, “locusts” come from the South (i.e. Saudi Arabia – the origin of Islam). The Muslim armies used a different war-fighting style their opponents never comprehended, which allowed a small force to easily overwhelm and destroy a larger force (repeatedly attack and withdraw with the main column while two other columns envelope on the flanks and pin – just like a scorpion attacks with its tail and pincers).
Revelation 9:4 They were told not to damage the grass of the earth, or any green plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their forehead.
These are uniquely Islamic teachings. Islamic doctrine and the Koran specifically forbid “scorched earth” policies “…not to damage the grass…plants or trees…”. There are no documented cases of Muslim armies burning orchards, vineyards or crop fields. On the other hand, the various Goth tribes were well know for their scorched earth policies, even burying rocks in the fields so they cannot be tilled.
Islamic doctrine and the Koran explicitly define an Infidel as a Pagan, idolater or unbeliever. Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians by definition are not Infidels. Moreover, Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians (in good standing) are a protected class, since they are classified as members of the “revealed religions.” Islamic teaching is that they all have the same god (Allah is not a name like Yahweh – it simply means lord or god – don’t forget that Arabic is South Semitic while Canaanite is Northwest Semitic both having split from the Amorite West Semitic branch and Hebrew originated from the Ugaritic dialect of Canaanite – so El, Elohe and Allah are cognates). Thus, Muslims, Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians have the “seal of god” (and that is also the used in the Koran), while all other religions do not.
Revelation 9:5 The locusts were not given permission to kill them, but only to torture them for five months, and their torture was like that of a scorpion when it stings a person.9:6 In those days people will seek death, but will not be able to find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them.
The last verse is descriptive of those chaffing under Muslim rule during the initial expansion. Muslims allowed members of the “revealed religions” to practice their religion, provided they did not proselytize or evangelize, and with numerous other restrictions, which also applied outside of religion (e.g. members of “revealed religions” can be tried in any court but Muslims can only be tried in Muslim courts and members of “revealed religions” cannot testify against Muslims).
Revelation9:7 Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns similar to gold, and their faces looked like men’s faces. 9:8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9:9 They had breastplates like iron breastplates, and the sound of their wings was like the noise of many horse-drawn chariots charging into battle. 9:10 They have tails and stingers like scorpions, and their ability to injure people for five months is in their tails.
These verses provide an expanded description of the locusts. The reference to gold further suggests the origin is Saudi Arabia confirming it is Islam (“Havilah…where there is gold”). The other references may be symbols related to Hamitic tribes of Saudi Arabia or standards (flags and other military symbols) that the Muslim armies carried with them into combat that are now forgotten. Taken as a whole, it suggests a military force bent on conquest.
Revelation 9:11 They have as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.
Both names mean “destroyer” in Greek and Hebrew. Note that their king and the “angel of the abyss” are one in the same. In other words the false prophet, Islam, is the destroyer.
The Muslim Empire constituted the same provinces that made up approximately one-third of the former Roman Empire (specifically the Dioceses of Asia, Orient, North Africa and Egypt, and most of the Diocese of Hispania Tarroconnesis).
The five month period in verses 9:5 and 9:10 “…but only to torture them for five months… injure people for five months…” contain prophetic time. Prophetic time is also symbolic. One prophecy day is equal to one calendar year.
Five prophecy months = 5 * 30 prophecy days = 150 prophecy days = 150 calendar years.
The time interval from the rise of Islam in 622 with the founding of Baghdad Khaliph, to the zenith of the Muslim (Arab) Empire in 772 is 150 years.
A lot of Christians would disagree with that, but then they're into the millenialism thing and like spreading fear, plus the though of an Armageddon and getting "raptured" apparently is exciting, but then they totally ignore Revelation 22:10.
are you serious? how metaphorical can the bible get? jesus christ, peace be upon him, told his disciples to sell all they had and go buy a sword and spread the word of god... christians say its a metaphorical sword being the word of god?... naw
Like 22:36: He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
plenty of christians deny he actually meant a sword but how else can you say it...
do you not know that the bible prophesied that the coming of Muhammad? Muhammad In The Bible
its a really good eye opener....
and christians disobey christ everytime they worship him as a god or a part of god... christ, peace be upon him said NOT to worship him... and sure enough a few hundred years later people do EXACTLY what he told them not to do...
Revelation 19:10: At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
do you now know that christ, peace be upon him, will DENY you on the day of judgement. hes not going to save you. hes getting judged just as everybody else is. and on the day of judgment you will turn to look for help and no one will be there because you are responsible for your own actions...
[5:116] GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets. [5:117] "I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things. [5:118] "If You punish them, they are Your constituents. If You forgive them, You are the Almighty, Most Wise."
the following is what you stated and how it refers to muslims...
Revelation9:7 Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns similar to gold, and their faces looked like men’s faces. 9:8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9:9 They had breastplates like iron breastplates, and the sound of their wings was like the noise of many horse-drawn chariots charging into battle. 9:10 They have tails and stingers like scorpions, and their ability to injure people for five months is in their tails.
muslims are humans just like everyone else. we dont have wings or tails... i dont know how you can twist the words of the bible so much to believe that these verses are talking about a human being...
Islamic teaching is that Jesus of Nazareth was a prophet, but did not die on the cross. When a Christian attempts to convert a Muslim and explains that Jesus of Nazareth died and was resurrected, this is very confusing to Muslims (the air darkened with smoke – clouding the mind and blocking the light -- which represents the TrueChurch or True Teachings), and why Christians nearly always fail to convert Muslims.
slow down there buddy... i was a christian that reverted to islam because christianity doesnt make sense. the entire ressurection doesnt make sense actually. just saying christ died, even though it says it in the bible, doesnt make sense... ill show you why if you really want to know...
grab your bible.... the verses are there, how can christ be crucified if...
No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10….this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion).
and
Christ’s call will be HEARD, and he will be delivered and honored (Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13). No way would these verses be valid if Christ got crucified.
there are an estimated 50,000 contradictions in the bible.
why?
"They (i.e. Jews and Christians) changed words from their contexts and forgot a good part of the message given to them, and you will continue to find them -except a few among them- bent on new deceits…" (al-Ma'idah: 13) And He further says, "O People of the Book, now has come to you Our Messenger, clarifying to you much of that you used to conceal of the Book and passing over much (that is now unnecessary)." (al-Ma'idah 5:15)[LEFT]
after christ died, people started to tamper with the bible... maybe for power, im not 100% sure i just have assumptions however, In Surat Al-An‘am (6:115), Allah says, "The Word of your Lord does find its fulfillment in truth and in justice. None can change His words. For He is the one who hears and knows all. Its obvious that the expression “word or words of Allah” here does not mean a text, but it means "Allah’s decisions and judgments". no doubt, Allah's decisions and judgments are fulfilled in truth and justice and none can change them. [LEFT]
muslims dont deny christ. through proof of the bible and the quran we know hes not the son of god.. hes not a part of god... because lets face it God, nor any part of god can die... god doesnt die..
and Allah is our god the one that all the prophets informed us to OBEY. one message from all the prophets including christ and muhammad... obey Allah and Allah alone...
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