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1) e-mail that blowhard Rush Limbaugh, whose credentials in environmental science are just slightly above the molluscs he says "will eat this spill, and it will all be a good thing!" Such brainless diatribes are actually harmful because they are a poultice on the minds of the scientifically illiterate. Atavistic Republicans for thoughtless profiteering!
2) If you're an engineer or biologist or have an innovative potential solution here, DO e-mail BP's hot line and give them your best technical suggestions. I did, and received a very positive and grateful response. No tiresome rants though; they are looking very hard because this is costing, and will cost them, their company in all probability. As it probably should. We let EXXON get away with a lot up in Alaska; let's not make that mistake again!
3) Turn your mind, permanently and now, to eliminating fossil fuels as our primary sources of energy in the coming decades. What would have happened had some catastrophic global event not created the convenient layer of fossil fuels we found and developed some decades ago? What do other advanced extra-terrestrial beings use for energy that we should exploit?
Solar? Clean, safe, modern nuclear (same thing as solar, only more consistent!), Wind, stored electrical, hydro-electric, etc. All proven to date, but considered "too expensive" or, more correctly, too threatening to Big Oil.
4) Do not believe the corporate resource development and exploitation types when they say the environment will be OK. Their concern for anything but profits and making the payment on their new Camaro is zip. I know; I worked for them in the highly sensitive Arctic, where they suggested we just fly out there and shoot all the polar bears who "inconveniently" wandered into their exploration camps.
They also dumped a lot of "stuff" into the Arctic ocean. After all, it's a big ocean, right?
5) As june correctly notes, pics of oil-soaked birds, seals, dolphins, etc. are horrifying. I'm not some sobbing, bleeding-heart huggy-snuggy lib; I'm a professional biologist and geologist who understands what I see going on, and carries a deep appreciation for the natural world. I do not like what I see here.
6) These smug corporate types and their wives and children (and el-Rushbo...) should be forced to live within the "zone of influence" of their pet projects. downwind of the coal-fired plant, or the chemical plants, or the lead or heavy metal smelters, or the oil refineries. Right now, they should have to go bath in this murky stuff, and the event televised.
7) Also know that you're only seeing a tiny part of this tragedy as well. The sea life under the surface? Ruined for possibly tens upon tens of decades, and they still haven't stopped the leak. That may prove very difficult indeed.
Do also check out the ongoing underwater leak situation off the Nigerian coastline. Can you say: Corporate Conspiracy to Conceal?
Professor, you display too much emotion that one only associates with Godmen and nuns
Here's Tony's take on your points. And, remember he's one heck of an electronics engineer turned corporate rat (yeah, engineering pays me 65K with benefits?? )
1. Agreed. That man needs to be sent to the Egyptian mummy zoo.
2. BP's spill dwarfs Exxon's. Besides, to this day, noone knows if BP even has the technology to contain this spill, as R&D folks are working round the clock. And no, it's not Obama's fault like the tea party folks will have you believe it. America does not have the technology either. That Kevin Costner thing is just bogus, a media stunt that BP played very well. We all know what happened with water world
3. Wishful thinking of a science fiction reader. Didn't expect this from you, rifleman The planet's at least 100 years away from replacing oil as the primary source by ONLY 55%.
4. Corporations are only the beasts generated by <clears throat> 3, 2, 1, 0, We Da People. How many of you complain when oil neared 4$ a gallon? Remember the long queues a couple years ago with that whatshisname hurricane that stopped oil output in Texas?
The oil majors have to outstrip DEMAND which goes exponential by the day. Why do they have to resort to increased output techniques? Why won't they invest in infrastructure for safety and better procedures which take R&D time and add another billion to the balance sheet? Why, because you, rifleman, like million others, like gas in your tank to go buy bananas and pork chops and you stamp your feet and want them cheap.
Because people wanna go vacation, cruise liners, holiday travel, Formoola 1, NASCAR, guess what? They don't run on water
The oil majors are oil majors coz they are faced with demand with depleted capacity. Why blame the butcher when you want meat?
5. Agreed.
6. You sound like a Middle-Eastern fatwa issuer. Why just them? Show me one person who is oil free.
7. Agreed.
Anyway, the spill's gonna continue for another month or two. It will get actually fixed or will be claimed to have been fixed by the politician-corporation-media nexus. Next year same time, it will be forgotten. And guess what, drill, baby, drill, coz you will always run out of groceries, rifleman. You need your trunk to fill the supplies
The world will act like it never existed. A very good piece of history/encyclopaedia item. It's not worth the worry.
For now, I'm licking my chops for the much awaited BP dividends payout decision. If they stop it, BP will have a free fall, with stocks crashing under 20, as low as even a potential divided take over by the other oil majors whose stock prices will jump, coz BP has blistering assets in all continents. God save the queen.
In Christer lingo, BP has been part of several SINS on the face of the earth. They have been behind several political and inter-continental wrangling, think the British East India company. These grasshoppers deserve it. Karma is a beyotch What's more hilarious is the gentleman whom several BP employees funneled millions to become the POTUS is actually forced to give them a not so sweet bum slap. Alternately, these grasshoppers could have saved that money for a much needed severance or survival package now. Life's tough. One wishes the future can be foreseen.
Now, if you'd excuse me, I need to go swell my bank account
Professor, you display too much emotion that one only associates with Godmen and nuns
That's because underneath this calm, collected and logical exterior, Tony my man, all of us have our hot buttons. Mine is corporate indifference at the expense of the environment, fomented by you betcha, us peons and our endless consumerist greed. (All except me, of course.....)
Here's Tony's take on your points. And, remember he's one heck of an electronics engineer turned corporate rat (yeah, engineering pays me 65K with benefits?? )
3. Wishful thinking of a science fiction reader. Didn't expect this from you, rifleman The planet's at least 100 years away from replacing oil as the primary source by ONLY 55%.
But we're not doing anything significant to promolgate some new-age thinking, are we? Outside of that eco-moron, Algore, who worked up a nicey-nice iMovie graphics circus that "proved", with totally bogus "stats", his pseudo-point. All this should be considered a felony, but still, it does not deny that we're hopelessly dependent on fossil fuels, which we do not have to be.
(BTW, you seem to be seriously underpaid. Did you pi$$ off someone in your corporation? My last paid job as an engineer was $120k+, and I was looking for a better job!)
4. Corporations are only the beasts generated by <clears throat> 3, 2, 1, 0, We Da People. How many of you complain when oil neared 4$ a gallon? Remember the long queues a couple years ago with that whatshisname hurricane that stopped oil output in Texas?
No, I did not protest. Instead I seriously cut back on my past-excessive driving, and am now looking forward to the intro and my purchase of the forthcoming Nissan Leaf (a non-hybrid plug-in-only electric car). I think we should pay the true costs, including those of protecting and/or restoring the environment, of any consumable. Sugar, lemons, gas and oil, corn, plastics. That would also generate at least a passing interest in finding better techno-solutions, dont'cha think, Tony?
The oil majors have to outstrip DEMAND which goes exponential by the day. Why do they have to resort to increased output techniques? Why won't they invest in infrastructure for safety and better procedures which take R&D time and add another billion to the balance sheet? Why, because you, rifleman, like million others, like gas in your tank to go buy bananas and pork chops and you stamp your feet and want them cheap.
At'chully, Tony, I and my good wife are working harder than ever on our minimal 4.7+ acres to grow much more of our own food, and I'm raising chickens for their free-range eggs and manure (that stuff takes a bit of extra Tabasco to make it palatable...)
Because people wanna go vacation, cruise liners, holiday travel, Formoola 1, NASCAR, guess what? They don't run on water
I'll bet, from your comments, that you probably weren't aware that in F-1, and at Indy, and even in the recent Le Mans, there was a lot of bio-fuels, and at Indy, 100% ethanol (from corn or beets or...) was the mandated fuel. I didn't see the final minutes, but I'm betting that it was either a Peugeot or Audi diesel; that won Le Mans...
The oil majors are oil majors coz they are faced with demand with depleted capacity. Why blame the butcher when you want meat?
No problem with that. The gov'mint apparently needs to step in (Oh. Nohhh!! Socialism!) As in PetroCan or PeMex. Place a suitable alternate energy tax on all fossil fuels, and on the related resource exploration efforts, and then go after the alternatives, in terms of mandated mileages and/or alternate fuels as well as equipment technology. Why? Because we'll never divorce ourselves from the luxury of individual transport modes; only sheep and chickens (or the Japanese...) like to be herded onto pass-rail cars!
Oh, and hows about some rational population controls? Huh? down to (my calculation, BTW) ≈2.5B max? I suppose wars achieve that in a blunt-instrument way, huh? ...sigh.
6. You sound like a Middle-Eastern fatwa issuer. Why just them? Show me one person who is oil free.
Nope. My PhD thesis was on alternate methodologies to manage environmental impacts through the requirement for, among other things, direct "downwind" consequences to the project proponent chiefs and their families. Presently they all live a convenient macro-distance away from the refinery, smelter, chemical factory or strip-mines. They also make obscene salaries off the lack of environmental ethics promulgated by their very own corporations.
Such direct accountability and exposure would change everything, IMHO. So would the ability for an independent panel, outside of both corporate and governmental (i.e.: pseudo-corporate...) influence, to shut down the operation if any such nonsense as BP has obviously fostered and tacitly allowed here, were detected via a detailed and ongoing monitoring process.
Anyway, the spill's gonna continue for another month or two.
...or ten.
It will get actually fixed or will be claimed to have been fixed by the politician-corporation-media nexus. Next year same time, it will be forgotten. And guess what, drill, baby, drill, coz you will always run out of groceries, rifleman. You need your trunk to fill the supplies
I drive one'them real eco-friendly "little" '96 (old, square styled) F350 4X4 CrewCab diesel Ford trucks, BTW. It gets me about 15 in town, and 20 on the highway! Weighs a svelte 8000 lb dry! But hey; I can carry enough food for 10 months, plus a lot of arms and ammo!!! Try that in your Prius Hybrid, and BTW, what happens when a Prius meets an F350 CC $X$ (oops... sorry; that's "4X4"... Freudian slip there...) diesel head-on @ a closing speed of a mere 80 mph (i.e..: each doing only 40mph?)? (hint: this is not a bar-room joke... "So.... a brutally handsome Ford F350 "meets" a "gay" Prius out on the freeway...")
Who wins again?
For now, I'm licking my chops for the much awaited BP dividends payout decision. If they stop it, BP will have a free fall, with stocks crashing under 20, as low as even a potential divided take over by the other oil majors whose stock prices will jump, coz BP has blistering assets in all continents. God save the queen.
Agreed, sadly. A good time to buy BP, in 6 mo from now.
Now, if you'd excuse me, I need to go swell my bank account
Awe come on, Tohnz! Just this once, can't you be an ethically, morally ruddered-up non-bystander, "do the right thing" and burn your BP stocks right there on the sidewalk in front of their London HQ? With a sandwich board on your shoulders that proclaims...
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let's play pray for 1000 barrels a day. opps 5000 barrels a day, opps 12.000 to 19.000 barrels a day, opps 20.000 to 40.000 barrels,opps 35.000 to 60.000 barrels a day????? i think you guys need to pray a lot louder.!!! the real number is one barrel a second.!! 96 thousand barrels a day it's amazing how big corp can dishout lies like there's no tomorrow, and get away with it..
let's play pray for 1000 barrels a day. opps 5000 barrels a day, opps 12.000 to 19.000 barrels a day, opps 20.000 to 40.000 barrels,opps 35.000 to 60.000 barrels a day????? i think you guys need to pray a lot louder.!!! the real number is one barrel a second.!! 96 thousand barrels a dayit's amazing how big corp can dishout lies like there's no tomorrow, and get away with it..
At least in the US there is vocal oppostion against such damage.
India "was" a stupid country. A country of babu nutjobs and fakirs (I guess I can call my own people that when I'm annoyed ) in the establishment who thought this kind of production was okay within the territorial perimeters, when other countries thought it was too dangerous to produce even in their oceans
What bother me a lot about this whole thing is that several foreign countries including the Dutch, Brits, Canadians and Norwegians all offered assistance weeks ago. The Obama administration refused to set aside the antiquated Jones Act to allow their assistance. It was not until Monday the 14th that the administration even began entertaining foreign aid. What was the delay for?
Rifleman, good response, and I will get back with you when I have the time soon. But I was just watching the hearings yesterday and humiliation meted out to the BP exec was uncalled for.
There was a samurai midget moron of a senator who was asking him to commit suicide What the...
I feel sorry for BP. I wish they get out of this mess soon (as I'm preparing the funds to buy me a bunch of shares LMAO). I have already diversified my portfolio and am grabbing XOM, shell and chevron. If BP sinks, these guys will get their hands on their assets.
What bother me a lot about this whole thing is that several foreign countries including the Dutch, Brits, Canadians and Norwegians all offered assistance weeks ago. The Obama administration refused to set aside the antiquated Jones Act to allow their assistance. It was not until Monday the 14th that the administration even began entertaining foreign aid. What was the delay for?
1. Misjudgment:
They bought BP's spill estimate. Turns out they were punk'd.
2. Misunderstanding:
Since the US does not have the technology to fix it, they thought BP did. Well, they didn't either. Neither do the Dutch nor Chinese NE Petroleum holdings
2. Backhanded loyalty:
Anyone knows how much money BP and its employees pumped into the Obama campaign fund? How many of you remember the millions he raised in record time, as opposed to poor old Mac?!?!?!
3. He is a fledgeling president, not very experienced.
And misjudging this spill is as easy as my numbering judgment up there
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turned corporate rat (yeah, engineering pays me 65K with benefits?? 
The planet's at least 100 years away from replacing oil as the primary source by ONLY 55%.
What's more hilarious is the gentleman whom several BP employees funneled millions to become the POTUS is actually forced to give them a not so sweet bum slap. Alternately, these grasshoppers could have saved that money for a much needed severance or survival package now. Life's tough. One wishes the future can be foreseen.
A set of answers, all well thought-out!
it's amazing how big corp can dishout lies like there's no tomorrow, and get away with it..
