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Old 06-05-2010, 08:38 PM
 
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Default The distillation of human behavior based upon evolution

If we humans arose from evolution and there was no guiding divine and omnipotent hand in our creation then this has immense implications for our species. Everything we have created and that we feel is a direct construct upon and is derivative of the basic drive for survival. What does this say about our everyday feelings, proclivities and belief systems?
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Old 06-05-2010, 08:52 PM
 
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If we humans arose from evolution and there was no guiding divine and omnipotent hand in our creation then this has immense implications for our species. Everything we have created and that we feel is a direct construct upon and is derivative of the basic drive for survival. What does this say about our everyday feelings, proclivities and belief systems?
Since the bold portion of your dual premise is NOT true . . . there are no implications.
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:07 PM
 
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If you are a theist then I can posit that you view my assertions to not be true. But, at the same time I ask that you entertain my assertions as being potentially true. What then? What are the implications?
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:16 PM
 
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The last I read on it it's not so much your own survival, but producing the most kids who live to reproductive age. For a man this means having enough money that you can support a large string of illegitimate children. (Illegitimate because it's best to have the kids be from multiple partners for genetic diversity and to avoid any one woman being overburdened with children) So many of your rap singers and rock stars are doing what, ideally, all men should want to do. For a woman it's more making sure the man you mate with has resources to support/defend your kid and has a good mother who can give health advice or babysit. So for a woman being a gold-digger can be the evolutionary fit ideal so long as she's good with kids and wants her rich guy to be from "a good family."

For those not reproducing it's more about protecting your kinfolk. So the gay or celibate individual is to protect their nephews and nieces. From an evolutionary standpoint helping an unrelated sterile individual is probably a waste of time, but might make sense if said person helps a relative reproduce. Like by keeping a child from dying before adulthood or by serving some kind of "match-maker" function. Elderly sterile males are usually not good with either thing, unless they provide a service necessary to life like food dispersal or medicine, so on an evolutionary basis it seems sensible to let them die if they are in danger. Or just kill them if they have any usable organs or inheritance they can give to those still reproductive. That we probably wouldn't let an elderly sterile man drown, and would also deem killing one wrong, could be argued as a sign we're irrational beings prone to empathy and sentiment even if it's not in our best evolutionary interest.

I'm hesitant to post this in case someone finds it persuasive. So I'll add please don't kill old sterile men. There are plenty of reasons not to even if I can't think of an evolutionary one offhand.
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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If you are a theist then I can posit that you view my assertions to not be true. But, at the same time I ask that you entertain my assertions as being potentially true. What then? What are the implications?
Survival of the fittest and may the best and strongest get whatever they can out of this existence, period.
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:20 PM
 
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If we humans arose from evolution and there was no guiding divine and omnipotent hand in our creation then this has immense implications for our species. Everything we have created and that we feel is a direct construct upon and is derivative of the basic drive for survival. What does this say about our everyday feelings, proclivities and belief systems?
Assuming we are merely the sum of our parts...

... it means nothing, because what we were is no longer what we are. Even without a supreme being and an afterlife we are trancendent beings by virtue of our sentience. We have and continue to lavishly express our ability to ponder, create and dream without concern or underlying need to answer to survival instinct; we've found easier ways to (more or less) solve those problems already. We are not above nature, but the only real natural rule is to adapt and survive as a species across time. We do that exceptionally well.

Maybe in time we will make ourselves into technological "gods" of a sort by finding ways to keep our minds alive indefinitely, to travel the universe and to create new sentient life. We've already just learned to create synthetic life; who knows how far we'll go. Or maybe we'll just destroy ourselves... but still the potential is there.

Whether by god or nature, we have become something amazing. To say everything we are is worthless just because we evolved from hairy bipedal monkeys who's only concerns were food, sex and staying alive is silly.

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Old 06-05-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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Survival of the fittest and may the best and strongest get whatever they can out of this existence, period.
Yeah, right. That explains all the hundreds of humanitarian aid programs, people rushing to disaster stricken areas to help out, homeless shelters, food banks, etc. etc.....It's best to think before you post.
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:38 PM
 
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Yeah, right. That explains all the hundreds of humanitarian aid programs, people rushing to disaster stricken areas to help out, homeless shelters, food banks, etc. etc.....It's best to think before you post.
All can be explained as altruism based upon social and moral constructs. To recognize and respond to human suffering shows empathy which makes one more likely to be a part of a group, to support the group and to be supported by said group. This lends itself to survival and it is entirely possible that it is based upon mere chemical reactions in the brain that are conducive to selfish concerns and survival.
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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All can be explained as altruism based upon social and moral constructs. To recognize and respond to human suffering shows empathy which makes one more likely to be a part of a group, to support the group and to be supported by said group. This lends itself to survival and it is entirely possible that it is based upon mere chemical reactions in the brain that are conducive to selfish concerns and survival.
So... A bunch of us actually just want to be Hatians or get in on the "homeless person club"
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:53 PM
 
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All can be explained as altruism based upon social and moral constructs. To recognize and respond to human suffering shows empathy which makes one more likely to be a part of a group, to support the group and to be supported by said group. This lends itself to survival and it is entirely possible that it is based upon mere chemical reactions in the brain that are conducive to selfish concerns and survival.
If it were pure "survival of the fittest" would empathy exist?
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