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Old 11-10-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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All that and you spend your time surfing the internet and hanging out on forums with a bunch of old people?

Your post reaffirmed that the best indicator for child success is zip code, not testing.

I tell you what go volunteer for a week at Sun Valley Elementary school, then come back and re read what you posted.

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Please let me know where you teach because I would NEVER want my kids in your class.
What in hell gave you the idea that I am a teacher? Interesting that in spite of all your self back patting, you jumped to a conclusion not supported by any evidence.
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Old 11-10-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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All that and you spend your time surfing the internet and hanging out on forums with a bunch of old people?

Your post reaffirmed that the best indicator for child success is zip code, not testing.

I tell you what go volunteer for a week at Sun Valley Elementary school, then come back and re read what you posted.



What in hell gave you the idea that I am a teacher? Interesting that in spite of all your self back patting, you jumped to a conclusion not supported by any evidence.
There was no back patting, I have no yearning to impress you or others on an internet forum. My description backed up my point, the point that I went to public school and I have done more in the last 6-7 years than most people do in a lifetime. There are guys and gals I graduated with who have accomplished more than me. Zip codes do not determine school success, again that is a cop out answer. We are a town of 600k+ and I would wager that almost every HS here scores higher than ANY school in the Reno-Carson-VC-Tahoe area. The possible exception being our worst school versus damonte. Take Palmer High School here in town, great test scores, IB program, and they have problems at the school as it is inner city, drugs-gangs-fights-etc. The teachers here TEACH, and they teach from the heart. Guess what, D20 schools might be the best in the state, but D11 teachers get paid a little more. Like I said, half of it is the families that live in the more affluent areas, upper middle class, that teach VALUES to their kids, and the VALUE of a good education. That is something that is not prevalent in all areas. But that is only half of it. Palmer High School is inner city, gangs, drugs, a stones throw from one of the worst parks in the city, etc....BUT they have solid teachers, great people who have dedicated their lives to teaching. I have many friends who went there. The teachers make the difference, and they routinely post high test scores, place kids in IVY league schools, AND have a strong IB program with some of the smartest kids in the state outside of D20.

Sun Valley is horrible, I've heard about it. I've also heard that the families there are mostly trailer-***** and the teachers as well. So.....is it the zip code or is it the quality of people? MOST teachers nowadays, need to retire. This is the millennial generation, built on technology and multi-tasking. Generation X and Y are becoming obsolete. Teachers need to KEEP going to school to learn new education techniques, earn masters degrees and earn their Ed.D's. You either become vested in your students or you show up to work everyday for a paycheck. There needs to be a FIRM review board that kicks obsolete and useless teachers out. Video tape classes for a year and see who hacks it and who doesn't. Another point is if you can't relate to kids, why would you teach? There was an initiative when I was in High School years ago, that evaluated teacher performance in 10 areas. Only one area was the test scores. Two of the areas were qualitative methodologies that studied teacher's ability to relate to students and prove effective. This is the age of the internet, these kids can google in five minutes, what it would take you to teach for an hour, ten short years ago. If you can't adapt, make class interesting, incorporate technology and be personable, you're on the way out the door and the faster the better.

Teachers have more face time with kids then anybody else in their young lives. Parents entrust their kids to these strangers with the hope that the school vetted them. I will pay for my kids to go to private school before ever putting them into a bad school like North Valley. I will move to Damonte Ranch if we don't buy there initially, if I have to. If you want to make a difference, pull your kids out of the weak schools and put them in private ones. Move, write letters, do SOMETHING to get these under-performing teachers out of school.

By the way, I don't spend much time "surfing" or in chat rooms. I joined this one a few days back to ask a specific question about relocating to Reno. I didn't intend on typing in another post but after I saw your ridiculous response I could not resist. Yes, I assumed you're a teacher because the only people I've heard talk about the "tests" that way are the teachers who can't hack it. The exam tests things that you should be teaching the kids ANYWAY, why would you need extra time to prepare? Teach correctly and you get results. And before you throw your negative nancy routine at me, I do speak quite often in front of HS classes here where I live. My old teachers bring me in to speak about anything from international politics, homeland security, the military and life overseas, management techniques and other topics. Some of the classes were at schools in Widefield district, which are the worst for Colorado Springs, its all about getting their interest and teaching them something that THEY see the value in.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Moderator cut: Edited to keep the thread on the right track

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Old 10-21-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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I searched for sparks middle school to see if there was a thread already for discussing the school shooting and came upon this thread.

Everytime there is a school shooting now I have this overwhelming urge to take my kids out of public school. I fight it, because I know I'm just being emotional and unrealistic, but there seem to be so many more shootings in recent years. My kids have 5 more years and then they are done with K-12, thank goodness. I hope that time goes by fast.

I am wondering how the OP handled the bullying issue she posted about? Is this a particularly rough school?
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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The OP was a one time Poster two years ago, and has never returned.
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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I searched for sparks middle school to see if there was a thread already for discussing the school shooting and came upon this thread.

Everytime there is a school shooting now I have this overwhelming urge to take my kids out of public school. I fight it, because I know I'm just being emotional and unrealistic, but there seem to be so many more shootings in recent years. My kids have 5 more years and then they are done with K-12, thank goodness. I hope that time goes by fast.

I am wondering how the OP handled the bullying issue she posted about? Is this a particularly rough school?
The shooting was very sad indeed.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Reno, NV
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The US public school system is a disaster and school shootings, bullying, low test scores compared to other industrialized nations, budget cuts, all of these are symptoms of the cancer that is US public schools. It is time to change. It is time for choice. Does government tell you what car to buy? Where to live? Where to shop? Which church to attend? What to wear? What job to go to? What college to go to? Yet, they tell you where to go to school. It could be a dangerous school with inept teachers, but that's YOUR fault for living in a poor neighborhood. We have segregation in America, wake the heck up! Rich people move further out to richer neighborhoods with nicer schools. You know who's against choice? Rich Americans who don't want poor kids and minorities in their rich, lavish free schools. Union teachers also could care less about America's youth. We need school vouchers. America became a great nation when we gave all children the right to a decent education, but now we imprison poor children in failing public schools that deprive them of a decent education and actually put their lives at risk. With vouchers and free compeition, schools would improve. You want your kid to be a jock, take him to a jock school where they only focus on sports. You want him to go to a religious school, send him to a Catholic school. You want him to be a scientist? Send him to a school that focuses on science and has NO sports team except the chess team. CHOICE! America wake up. We have a Communist school system. There's a reason our Capitalist college and private market system is the best in the world. People have the choice of what college to attend or company to patronize. Choice leads to efficiency.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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The US public school system is a disaster and school shootings, bullying, low test scores compared to other industrialized nations, budget cuts, all of these are symptoms of the cancer that is US public schools. It is time to change. It is time for choice. Does government tell you what car to buy? Where to live? Where to shop? Which church to attend? What to wear? What job to go to? What college to go to? Yet, they tell you where to go to school. It could be a dangerous school with inept teachers, but that's YOUR fault for living in a poor neighborhood. We have segregation in America, wake the heck up! Rich people move further out to richer neighborhoods with nicer schools. You know who's against choice? Rich Americans who don't want poor kids and minorities in their rich, lavish free schools. Union teachers also could care less about America's youth. We need school vouchers. America became a great nation when we gave all children the right to a decent education, but now we imprison poor children in failing public schools that deprive them of a decent education and actually put their lives at risk. With vouchers and free compeition, schools would improve. You want your kid to be a jock, take him to a jock school where they only focus on sports. You want him to go to a religious school, send him to a Catholic school. You want him to be a scientist? Send him to a school that focuses on science and has NO sports team except the chess team. CHOICE! America wake up. We have a Communist school system. There's a reason our Capitalist college and private market system is the best in the world. People have the choice of what college to attend or company to patronize. Choice leads to efficiency.
This is just another extremist rant trying to place blame on public schools for the break down of American moral values brought about by media saturation into our culture. Should we blame them for the economic collapse too while we're at it? Teachers are good in good and bad neighborhood's (teacher that was killed was a greatly admired, and a Marine), so what is the main difference? Parental involvement! If the parents care the students will. To simply paint a broad brush over public schools with knowingly intent to make a political statement in favor of your ideals can be read through, and through. kind of like comparing a hole in the wall Mexican food joint to a mass marketed chain like Chili's. For an author, I expect a much higher standard of journalism, and less fiction.
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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The shooting was very sad indeed.
I was just reading more about the story, and evidently they had just shown the kids an anti-bullying video the day before. Some of the students were saying that they thought the shooter may have been inspired by the video. Isn't that strange.
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Reno
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Our 'public education' system isn't designed to educate. It's designed to create compliant workers that's all. You can't keep trying to mold children in this way without breaking some. They way they react has certainly changed over time, but the cause is the same.
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