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Unread 07-09-2012, 09:53 PM
 
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Angry Complicated question about breaking a lease

Backstory: My girlfriend and I have been living in this duplex for less than a year in a two bedroom space with one other tenant. We signed a separate lease from him, which is set to expire on August 1st. He told us he is on a month-to-month lease. Now our landlord is saying that he is going to require everyone in the house (there is a 3 bedroom upstairs as well) to sign a 6-month or 12-month lease starting August 1st.

The other tenant of our unit is a hoarder with an ever worsening condition. His room is more than twice the size of ours but you cannot walk through it without stepping on something. It also reeks of BO and the two cats and the litter boxes (which he rarely cleans) and one of the cats in sick and throws up all the time. He has mold all over his own personal bathroom and window sills. When we come home the house reeks like his room and we have to burn incense and open the windows and sometimes eat outside because of the smell.

I should also mention that the landlord is extremely curt and rude and has asked that I voice my questions and concerns through my housemate (the hoarder) even though we are on separate leases.

Our Intentions: We would like to move out but we also need enough time to look for a new place. We have mentioned the horrendous conditions of the place to the landlord before but he says that it is a personal matter between us and our housemate.


Questions for different approaches to the situation:

1. Assuming that we sign a new 6-month lease on August 1st, a couple of months into the new lease, can we ask our landlord to force our housemate to cleanup his room, which is causing our unit to be uninhabitable outside of our direct control? Furthermore, can we give him an ultimatum stating that if he does not clean up his act or if the landlord cannot remedy the problem that we will move out.

2. Can we wait until August 1st has passed and then we are theoretically, by default, on a month-to-month lease, and then tell our landlord that we will not sign a new lease because we intend to move out thereby we will have been living there for more than one year and he will have to give us 60 days to move out. In other words, up until August 1st we have only lived here less than one year so presumably he would have to give us 60 days notice if we waited for a year to pass. How long can we stall signing a lease?

3. Can our landlord force us to sign a lease? If he delivers a statement into our mailbox that states that we must sign the new lease by August 1st but then we don't see it and August 1st passes, what are the consequences? My research did not turn up anything about what happens at the end of a rental agreement.

4. What is the best way to break out of a 6-month lease if we are forced to sign one in some way or another?

5. If we were to request for the land lord to put us on a month-to-month lease so that we can look for a place and get out as soos as possible, what should we be prepared for. What does the law say about requesting a month-to-month lease? Can the landlord deny this request? If so, can they evict us for refusing their lease agreement or if the want to get rid of us what kind of notice do they have to give and how is this affected by whether we have lived there less than a year or more than a year?

6. What would you do? What are some other ways we could deal with the situation?

7. Our landlord did not do a walkthrough with us when we moved in and our housemate had been living here for over a year already. Can he hold us responsible for any damages (other than those which he knows that we are directly responsible for because he has fixed them upon our request)?
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Unread 07-10-2012, 06:19 AM
 
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This is July 10. Why can't you start looking today and make appts and view units for the next week until you find a unit. 20 days should be long enough to find something.

Do NOT sign a lease at your current rental. Focus on moving asap. tell landlord you plan to move and you cannot sign a lease and can you go month to month. I would find a unit fast in case landlord tries to pressure you into signing a lease.

Check your state law and your lease to see how many days notice you or landlord must give eachother for move out. If he asks you to move (once you say you wont sign a lease), he needs to give you the required notice to move out since technically you still be on month to month per your prior lease.

You also need to read the lease and check state law to see what kind of notice YOU need to give landlord that you are moving. If you find a unit that is ready Aug 1st, are you required to give 30 day notice of move-out per your lease? Maybe you find a unit that is ready Aug 15 or even the 30th. there are likely many units that are ready now and the landlord would be glad to have you move in Aug 1st.

Go find another unit, pronto.
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Unread 07-10-2012, 07:12 AM
 
Location: The Triad (nc)
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We signed a separate lease from him, which is set to expire on August 1st.
Now our landlord is saying that he is going to require everyone to sign a 6-month or 12-month lease starting August 1st.
This "separate lease" term and your other phrasing makes this place sounds like some sort of rooming house situation rather than an independent (private) unit. If you share anything (like a bathroom or kitchen) with anyone else you don't have the sort of private space that most Landlord:Tenant law is based on. Rules will still apply but differently.

Find a LOCAL tenant advocacy group that can explain the distinctions... and especially as they are described in the law THERE; and they can review your lease to see what rights you have and whether the lease as written has any legal obligations on you that aren't part of the law THERE.

That said, many LL's today seem to have decided that being bound by a lease is a better deal for them.
They are rarely correct with the exception of property management companies that get a bonus for such.
Tenants will leave when they need/want to and LL's are still obliged to re-rent asap and mitigate the potential loss of income.

The only advantage to a tenant is to lock in a specific rent amount.
Without a longer term lease the LL can bump the rent every rent payment cycle (30 days).
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so....
1) Start looking for a new place TODAY.
2) Find that tenant advocate group TODAY.
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Unread 07-10-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Sounds like you would be crazy to sign a new lease. Go find a new place to live. Now.
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Unread 07-10-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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A lease is a contract. Don't sign a six month lease if you have no intention of staying. You can ask for a month to month but the landlord is free to say no. To get out of a lease early you will need a lawyer or help from a tenant advocacy group. And that can cost money. Trying to weasel your way out of something may have you end up having an eviction on your record which will make trying to rent a new place very difficult. Tell him you are leaving Aug 1. Find a new apartment or rent an extended stay hotel and put your things in storage.
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Unread 07-10-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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Report your rooomie to the Board of Health. They will fine the LL I believe if it is not cleaned up in a timely fashion.

I cannot advise on the other aspects of your problem.
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Unread 07-11-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Why would you want to sign a new lease? Get out of there. That place is disgusting. You probably caught cooties.
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Unread 07-15-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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No one can force you to sign a new lease. Grow a pair and find a new place pronto.

By the way, how many places have you looked at since you first posted this?
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Unread 07-16-2012, 10:43 AM
 
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Why would you want to sign a new lease? Get out of there. That place is disgusting. You probably caught cooties.

I'm sorry but LOL!!!!
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Unread 07-18-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Simmering in DFW
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what I would do is move out. I would look on craigslist for a short term sublet to move in temporarily, but would also look for a regular lease someplace....youmay get lucky butyiu really need to hustle. Even if you were able to stay on at a month 2 month or even if you were able to force your landlord to do a walk thru, the situation would not permenently resolve because if your LL cared, he would be actingonyour concerns and he wouldnot set you up to have to communicate through another person.
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