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Old 12-17-2009, 02:54 PM
 
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What are the penalties involved in doing this?
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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If you're living with the permission of the owner there are no penalties. You probably should have a written agreement with the owner though.

If you're living there without the permission of the owner you are trespassing and the penalties are different in each state.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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its usually better to have a lease both for the landlord and the tenant. every state has kind of a lease implied if you dont have one and you may not like it.

for the landlord its very important..no lease can make things very difficult for a landlord.

one example is the tenant dosnt pay the rent so you want to sue them...well with no lease how do you document what the rent even is?
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:18 PM
 
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What are the penalties involved in doing this?
As long as the owner gives you permission its fine.
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Old 12-19-2009, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Northwestern VA
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It's not illegal in VA...it's just not a smart thing to do. Suppose you let someone move into your property based on a verbal agreement. If things go south and you want to evict that person, how are you going to prove your case to the court when you have nothing in writing? The judge probably won't be too kind to a landlord who allows tenancy based on verbal agreements.


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Old 12-19-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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If the landlord accepts money from you, you have a de facto lease. It is hard for either party to prove what the terms of the agreement are. But if the landlord takes your money and then claims you don't have the right to live there, they are in breach of the verbal contract.

If the LL doesn't want to offer you a written agreement, at least write something up yourself such as "On December 19, 2009, I entered an agreement to pay $500 per month for the use of Apartment 201, at 123 Main Street. The agreement is valid for one year, and expires on December 31, 2010. In addition to monthly rent, I have agreed to pay a security deposit of $500 from which the cost of repairs or damage may be subtracted upon move-out. The condition of the unit upon move-in is documented in the attached photos."

Print it out, along with copies of the photos, and take them to a notary public to get the date stamp and third-party signature on them. It isn't as legally binding as a signed lease would be, because it lacks the landlord's signature, but it is definitely stronger evidence than 'he said-she said', should your verbal agreement fall apart.

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Old 01-13-2015, 03:50 PM
 
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its usually better to have a lease both for the landlord and the tenant. every state has kind of a lease implied if you dont have one and you may not like it.

for the landlord its very important..no lease can make things very difficult for a landlord.

one example is the tenant dosnt pay the rent so you want to sue them...well with no lease how do you document what the rent even is?
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Old 01-14-2015, 08:09 AM
 
Location: NYC
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It's not illegal...you are just a month to month tenant.
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Old 01-14-2015, 09:53 AM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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... and the thread harks back to 2009 but a new poster decided to resurrect it with an old quote and an emoticon - brilliant.
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Old 01-14-2015, 10:02 AM
 
Location: NYC
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... and the thread harks back to 2009 but a new poster decided to resurrect it with an old quote and an emoticon - brilliant.
oh boy didn't even notice that
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