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Old 04-20-2010, 01:47 PM
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Has he done this with prior tenants? Even if nothing got solved while you were there, its on record that he is a $hithead LL. All of your efforts might help the next tenant.

That said, I am a landlord and rented out my condo without use of the mailbox. Its in the tenants lease that he will obtain, and I will pay for, a UPS box for him. I did not do this to skirt any laws. There are people that have my previous address (the condo) and I do not want them knowing my new home address. The easiest way to do this was to keep my mailbox. My condo is in a convenient area close to the UPS store and the tenant has no issues with it.

If this landlord is trying to use the rental unit as his residence to get out of paying taxes it wont work. Its a matter of public record that he owns the property, and any other property. When he does his taxes his accountant would tell him that he cant claim residence to both places, so he is going to be paying higher taxes on one of the properties.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:45 PM
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Default landlord drama

I realize that this is an old thread, but it has helped me thus far. You definitely have my sympathies. I trust that you are in a better situation now. My landlord is insisting that certain mail comes to my address. He was very angry when I told him that I put return to sender on the numerous pieces of mail I was receiving (a year and a half ago). He lives only a few houses down the street, so it is not exactly difficult for the post office to find him. I started with the mail carrier and went to the post office to see if I could correct it. Later, I decided to write "This person has never loved at this address. Please check your records" on their mail. It finally got back to my landlords. He was quite angry and wants me to walk the mail down the street when it comes in. I feel that is not my job to walk his mail down the street. It is his responsibility to have his affairs in order.

He says it is for tax purposes. What is actually happening is fraud. His wife bought the property as a primary residence, even though the house has always been a rental property. That means that the loan fees are lower. It also means that the property insurance is lower. They are filing taxes separately and using both houses with homestead exemption to lower the property taxes (not supposition. You can look this up with the county.) Any capital gains on income of said rental property disappear as well. It is fraud on local, state and federal levels as well as banking. I do not want to be complicit in his crimes. I do not feel the need to help him cheat the rest of us. It just means everyone else's taxes are higher in the end.

I am on the end of my lease as well. I have not told him I am not renewing the lease. If I do and anything breaks, which is de rigueur, he will be nowhere to be found. It is hard enough to find him when the water is out. I will play this out to the end. He started out nicely enough, but has been a bane for me. He is a typical shady man in a white hat kind of guy. (I look nice, but I'm really a bad guy.) I am concerned about ever getting my security deposit back.

So now I'm left with what to do? Shall I continue to put return to sender on all their mail that they keep changing the address back to my house? Do I simply "never receive it?" Are there any real suggestions from people who have been in similar situations? I don't need to hear "ignore it and it will go away" or "why worry when you are on the last few months of your lease." I fear retribution if I keep returning it. Perhaps I should keep it until I am ready to go and then write all these companies and tell them what's up. Thanks.

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Old 11-16-2011, 05:00 PM
Location: Mostly in my head
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Interferring with the mail is a Federal offense. Just return it with "not at this address" to keep yourself out of trouble.
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:05 PM
Location: Lexington, SC
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Originally Posted by chet everett View Post
Just a guess, but if he is saying that his legal residence is still the house he is renting out to you is proven by the mail...

Does he have kids in school? Use a park district? Work in town that has some of residency requirement> Has various rates for local taxes based on resident status? Have loans that are made under the assumption of owner occupied?

He may be difficult to deal with, even nutty, but he may be trying to pull some sort of low grade scam. I would probably start looking for a new place to rent...
I think Chet has called it but rather then argue/fight...offfer to make nice and collect his mail and hold/forward it...all at a rent reduction of course....LOL
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:05 PM
Location: Coeur d'Alene Idaho
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I would just get the mail first everyday and put return to sender no such person at address on everything meant for the landlord. Sounds like a scum lord to me.
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Old 11-17-2011, 03:30 PM
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That's too close for comfort. He needs to get a P.O Box. Maybe he has a restricted loan.
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:23 AM
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I would put his forwarding address on it, even if it is down the street, and put it back in the box. Maybe the postal clerk, after having to re-handle his mail repeatedly will do the right thing. I would also take my protection order to an attorney, and seek advice. Here in N.D. a protection order would never allow someone access to coming w/in a certain amt of feet of your residence, nor would it allow ( I don't believe) someone access to your personal mail. But, that said, you are making lots of excuses for not helping yourself re: getting your own po box, or even moving. I hope you get moved soon, sounds like a bad situation.
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:53 AM
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My landlord tried to get me to do something similar. He wanted me to transfer the utilities into his name at this address.
Apparently if he could prove he lived at this address for 2 years he'd qualify for some kind of a tax break when he sold it.
(gee, I'm pretty sure that's fraud)

I told him I didn't feel comfortable doing it (unless he wanted to pay my utilities, which of course he didn't, lol) & he backed down.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:26 AM
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I am going through the same thing.. Have you ever considered that your landlord may be committing occupancy (mortgage) fraud? I am suspecting that your if LL mail is coming to your home that you rent. Here's something to ask yourself. Has your home ever been inspected? Have your landlord filed a certificate of occupancy or a landlord identity registration? You can find this out by your township municipal court clerk. My guess is if he has not. Then they are claiming to be the actual occupants of that home. It's listed as owner occupied.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:32 AM
Location: Rural Central Texas
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It is of no help to you and your situation, but as I was moving out I would start signing up for every marketing, insurance, promotional, porn, free offer, free sample, free magazine, catalog and flyer I could possibly find to the address and get the mail rolling into the box. I would try to fill it to overflowing every single day and keep the subscriptions coming as long as I was still motivated to write in his address on a form. Lots of time share and vacation offers with prizes and drawings to keep the literature on it's way. A few years of that and he might give up the address to save his sanity.
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