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We are talking about old people, after all...folks who can no longer work. What would you say their alternative would be? The magnitude of the problem has not even begun to surface, as the enormous BB gen is poised to overwhelm the senior housing market, and many will be without the means to pay market value for housing.
Sure, I agree that the older you are (other things being equal) the fewer options you have. My post was attempting to look more at the overall situation from a more philosophical point of view. There is quite a bit of resentment in both directions between the haves and the have-nots, of course. What surprises me more is the amount of generational resentment which sometimes surfaces in the City-Data forum. I tend not to think in generational terms, i.e., in terms of what a certain age group, collectively, did or didn't do. We are all individuals, and as such may or may not be typical of our generation. However, I realize that you are correct about demographics; the baby boom generation is a population bulge which is going to have (and has already started to have) certain economic effects.
That said, I think the betrayal of the big corporations for the welfare of its workers is what has moved me to the place now where, although I don't like it, it's almost as though you're stupid if you don't take advantage of the safety nets because so many are gaming the system.
I can't even begin to tell you how many I know that are "gaming" the system. Aggravating.
I can't even begin to tell you how many I know that are "gaming" the system. Aggravating.
Well, there's "gaming" and then there's "GAMING". Today I went to the county hospital and got financial assistance in order to get some CAT-scans done (cash value = $1-3K). Some would say I don't deserve that, that they're being taxed to cover my health care. Last night on MSNBC there was a report on how Bank of America, CitiGroup, GE and many other corporations paid absolutely NO income tax (0%) on their billions of dollars of reported profit for last year. They're supposed to be paying up to 35%. 35% of umpteen billions of dollars is really big money. Now that's "gaming the system"! Still, I just don't hear that many folks complaining that they're being taxed because the big corporations refuse to be. Maybe because it's easier to shoot down than up. When BofA, CitiGroup, GE, et. al. start paying their taxes, I'll consider giving up my county medical assistance. (Unless it really hurts.)
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I just would like to say one more time, get your name onto all the senior subsidized housing lists you can find, and now.
Actually, I heard you the first time. Seems to me that when making a possibly life-determining decision of this kind that it might be a good idea to learn something about the laws and regulations that apply. Consider the following:
"Under the voucher program, new voucher-holders may choose a unit anywhere in the United States if the family lived in the jurisdiction of the PHA issuing the voucher when the family applied for assistance. Those new voucher-holders not living in the jurisdiction of the PHA at the time the family applied for housing assistance must initially lease a unit within that jurisdiction for the first twelve months of assistance. A family that wishes to move to another PHA's jurisdiction must consult with the PHA that currently administers its housing assistance to verify the procedures for moving."
Ok, so you can only apply for assistance to the Public Housing Authority for the area in which you are currently residing (that makes sense) and then in the event that your name does come up for consideration you are obligated to spend a year living in that area's subsidized housing before you can even think of moving somewhere else. These are things worth knowing.
I've read everything on the local City and County Housing websites and have been trying to get them on the phone but it's Friday afternoon now. I think I'll go eat some fried chicken.
Sure, I agree that the older you are (other things being equal) the fewer options you have. My post was attempting to look more at the overall situation from a more philosophical point of view. There is quite a bit of resentment in both directions between the haves and the have-nots, of course. What surprises me more is the amount of generational resentment which sometimes surfaces in the City-Data forum. I tend not to think in generational terms, i.e., in terms of what a certain age group, collectively, did or didn't do. We are all individuals, and as such may or may not be typical of our generation. However, I realize that you are correct about demographics; the baby boom generation is a population bulge which is going to have (and has already started to have) certain economic effects.
This post makes me think. What kind of amazes me is that in my admittedly limited sphere of life (but in vast media reading), I tend to see that it's more the upper classes that have outspoken resentment against the middle class and poor, and fewer at the bottom speaking with hatred for the upper classes. I mean I see this in general. People at the bottom are trying so very very hard to survive, they don't have the energy for expressing a lot of overt resentment in the media or in forums like this. People meekly accept what happens to them, they weren't educated or savvy enough to see it coming, and they lack(ed) the political clout to do anything about anything anyway. So they've sort of thrown up their hands in despair, letting what will be, be.
The wealthy on the other hand are constantly spewing hatred toward the have nots, stereotyping them en masse and accusing them of ruining their cushy lifestyle. What the wealthy (the sort of wealthy, not the super wealthy) don't understand is that their position is made stable by the stabilization of the middle class, which takes the brunt of economic woes through taxes, etc. and does the work (through jobs) that keeps the upper class living in style. I'm always puzzled esp on this forum about the vitriolic statements toward the middle class.
Generational resentment is understandable. The BB-gen is a huge one that has sopped up a great deal of national resources and has been a fairly selfish generation that hasn't done much to stop the destruction of the planet, for all their alternative lifestyle stuff. Frankly, I'm disappointed in my generation (including me) in the sense that we are leaving the next generation in an economic and ecological mess.
"Under the voucher program, new voucher-holders may choose a unit anywhere in the United States if the family lived in the jurisdiction of the PHA issuing the voucher when the family applied for assistance. Those new voucher-holders not living in the jurisdiction of the PHA at the time the family applied for housing assistance must initially lease a unit within that jurisdiction for the first twelve months of assistance. A family that wishes to move to another PHA's jurisdiction must consult with the PHA that currently administers its housing assistance to verify the procedures for moving."
In my state, the voucher program apparently is for any rental unit on the market. "Subsidized" senior housing units are for designated facilities and you can apply for these units no matter where you live. You could live in East Oshkosh and say you want to move near a relative in the state you are applying to, even though you don't live there at the time you apply.
That's the way it's been here in Milwaukee for a decade. As I said, every now and then they open the list for about two weeks at most. If you blink, you miss it.
Also, I do think it pays to know someone. People in these social services departments have friends who I'm sure they alert first if the list is opened or even put names on the list when the list is closed. All manner of chicanery in these departments, of that I am positive. Malpractice attorneys have birddogs in these departments, too, who feed them what might be profitable cases. My son sat on a jury of one such lawsuit. So, SG, if you know people in Rochester, start networking and see where it leads. You might get the name of someone in Social Services in the Rochester area who could be of help.
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Originally Posted by newenglandgirl
In my state, the voucher program apparently is for any rental unit on the market. "Subsidized" senior housing units are for designated facilities and you can apply for these units no matter where you live. You could live in East Oshkosh and say you want to move near a relative in the state you are applying to, even though you don't live there at the time you apply.
That's the way I read that language, too. Just sign up - anywhere.
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... I tend to see that it's more the upper classes that have outspoken resentment against the middle class and poor, and fewer at the bottom speaking with hatred for the upper classes.
Al Capp once said that in America no one resents millionaires because everybody thinks that someday they'll be one.
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