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Old 08-22-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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A lump sum check for life?

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Based on what I have heard, the only way SS can survive past maybe the year 2030 is:

less coverage.

higher Rx.

higher retirement age.

less SS payouts.

I wish they would calculate the total they will pay me if I live to 80-85-90 years old and and just send me a one time check.
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:26 PM
 
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I hope they bring the Roth IRA and 401K retirement age down to 55.
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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Preventive Care should be FREE. There is no need for people to suffer.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Preventive Care should be FREE. There is no need for people to suffer.
Are you aware there is no such thing as "free" medical care, whether preventive or not? Someone is always paying for it, mostly the general taxpayers. The entitlement mentality reflected in your post is a large part of what's wrong with this country.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Are you aware there is no such thing as "free" medical care, whether preventive or not? Someone is always paying for it, mostly the general taxpayers. The entitlement mentality reflected in your post is a large part of what's wrong with this country.
Nothing is free but if we raise that taxes then people won't have any unexpected bills.
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:40 AM
 
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Nothing is free but if we raise that taxes then people won't have any unexpected bills.
Raising taxes is part of the solution. However, the idea that nothing needs to be done to change the price and cost structure of medical care and that all of us have a *right* to expect complete care until we die in our eighties or nineties is wrong. These kinds of notions will bankrupt this country unless we change. That's what ER decries when he talks about the "entitlement mentality" and I agree with him.

I would propose the following ideas for consideration:

1. Government imposed price controls on the medical profession including salary caps, laws limiting the building of expensive new medical facilities (based on the notion that they drive much of the increase in health care costs), and price caps on medication costs.

2. The requirement that every insured seeking anything, but medical care for a dire emergency pay at least a modest co-payment for that care to reduce unnecessary utilization of the health care system.

3. No payment shall be provided by medicare for new medications that are not scientifically shown to be an improvement over medications already in existence.

4. The creation of more medical clinics staffed only by nurse practitioners and midlevels to provide basic medical services to all age groups and a cheaper cost.

5. Taxing the estates of medicare beneficiaries for the difference between what medicare has paid and what their contributions (plus interest) to medicare have been during their lifetimes.
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Old 08-23-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Bar Harbor, ME
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Medicare and Soicial security should only exist for those who paid into the system. Now it exists for every tom dick and jeanie who might have some special need like hover-round chairs.
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Employer based Pension and Health Care are outdated ways to keep employees chained to jobs and then discard them. If the United States government can't provide the same benefits that every other industrialized country does then we are being ripped off
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Old 08-25-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Benefits in other industrialized countries

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Employer based Pension and Health Care are outdated ways to keep employees chained to jobs and then discard them. If the United States government can't provide the same benefits that every other industrialized country does then we are being ripped off
There are several aspects to your statement, but I have time to address one one here. Most of the other industrialized countries which you admire so much have found themselves in the position of having to scale back their benefits significantly over the past several years because the benefits were simply not sustainable, not affordable.
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Old 08-26-2011, 08:20 PM
 
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Come october 1st..there won't be unemployment...welfare...medicaid....and a huge pile of other social programs.....get ready folks, it's coming at ya!
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