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Old 03-27-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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What's wrong with this picture? Aren't there any witches left that you can gather up and burn at the stake?

This has to be handled carefully and calling the authorities on this guy, given everything else going on in his life, sounds wrong.

His son needs to deal with his dad directly - the rest of you need to butt out.
Usually I agree with you Umbria, but this time I firmly agree with Jason. I believe others need to be involved, but due to certain family dynamics, I don't think it's going to be me. I have seen around here enough fatal and paralyzing accidents of innocent people (drivers, pedestrians and bicyclists_ who were rammed by someone who didn't have the right to be behind a wheel. The most tragic was several years ago when a woman from another country, in her 80s, was driving without either registration or license and killed a college girl crossing the street in front of her own home. I would have had no problem turning that woman in if I had known anything about the situation.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Just sticky this so that everyone can come back in 10 years and read what they wrote, and apply it to themselves.
No problem with me doing that. I will voluntarily take the keys from myself and donate the car to a charity.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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What's wrong with this picture? Aren't there any witches left that you can gather up and burn at the stake?

This has to be handled carefully and calling the authorities on this guy, given everything else going on in his life, sounds wrong.

His son needs to deal with his dad directly - the rest of you need to butt out.
Yes, ideally the son should be the one to deal with his own father. But in this case the son has abdicated his responsibility to humanity, whether through indifference, laziness, or just a lack of balls. So it falls upon others to do the right thing.

The analogy to burning witches at the stake is a mind-boggling non-sequitur.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:31 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Didn't this subject get beaten to death enough months ago? Nothing new under the sun!
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Edina, MN, USA
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Yes, ideally the son should be the one to deal with his own father. But in this case the son has abdicated his responsibility to humanity, whether through indifference, laziness, or just a lack of balls. So it falls upon others to do the right thing.

The analogy to burning witches at the stake is a mind-boggling non-sequitur.
huh Speak English, please.

The analogy was simply this: I can see a group(s) making a big deal out of every time they see an older person out driving - watching their every move just hoping to see something wrong. In many cases their driving is no different than the rest of the drivers. However, if they error in any way, it is made out to be a big deal. There's a mob mentality that can be quickly ignited, as was the case of the witch trials. Sheeple generally feel if they are apart of the large group, it is less likely that they will be targeted. I know older people that are great drivers. I know younger people that are horrible drivers.

Are you following me here? I could go on and on here, but, why?

Also, this son - I would threaten to take his keys away unless he mans up and deals with this. Knowing he doesn't have much time left, he may well feel a need to visit certain people. The son, or someone, needs to GLADLY offer to drive him to make these visits. Perhaps this man is too proud to ask for help. I'm someone that hates to ask for help so I get that.

This family needs to step up. This older guy just got very bad news - at his age, cancer is the final goodbye.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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huh Speak English, please.

The analogy was simply this: I can see a group(s) making a big deal out of every time they see an older person out driving - watching their every move just hoping to see something wrong. In many cases their driving is no different than the rest of the drivers. However, if they error in any way, it is made out to be a big deal. There's a mob mentality that can be quickly ignited, as was the case of the witch trials. Sheeple generally feel if they are apart of the large group, it is less likely that they will be targeted. I know older people that are great drivers. I know younger people that are horrible drivers.

Are you following me here? I could go on and on here, but, why?

Also, this son - I would threaten to take his keys away unless he mans up and deals with this. Knowing he doesn't have much time left, he may well feel a need to visit certain people. The son, or someone, needs to GLADLY offer to drive him to make these visits. Perhaps this man is too proud to ask for help. I'm someone that hates to ask for help so I get that.

This family needs to step up. This older guy just got very bad news - at his age, cancer is the final goodbye.
Although the phrase "non-sequitur" is a Latin phrase (literal meaning "it does not follow"), it is used in English and can be found in any English or American dictionary. You must be a compassionate person, as you are concerned about the very real issues the old man faces. In my view, these concerns are over-ridden by the potential concerns of a family who may lose a loved one because of his impaired driving.

No one is proposing to burn this man at the stake just because he is old: The state's licensing agency will give objective tests (of vision and actual driving) to determine if there is impairment. The state doesn't just yank a license because a famility member requests it - after all the reporting party could be acting out of personal spite. That's what I meant about the analogy not following its own premise logically.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Didn't this subject get beaten to death enough months ago? Nothing new under the sun!
Good point, but sometimes it remains fun to argue about certain stuff.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:27 AM
 
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That is why a third party is appropriate, I can tell my Mom she is a hazard all the time, "ignore". The dynamic is usually that parents do not listen to adult "children". And often adult children may be afraid to create a huge family blow up. Alternatively, maybe the adult child is too critical of a parent's driving. Magnifies one small incident or close call out of proportion.

So, identify the issue, notify a third party, and this way the adult child can be viewed as supportive, not the enemy.

Discuss alternatives to driving, para transit, friends giving rides, family helping out, taxi rides. Discuss the money saving, no car insurance or car maintenance. There are "senior companion" programs where a volunteer will take a senior out for shopping trips once a week.

Your life is not over when you stop driving. But it is an adjustment.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:31 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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Good point, but sometimes it remains fun to argue about certain stuff.
By the way, I really like and often use the term "non-sequitur." For threads of this nature that spring back to life like zombies I'm beginning a search for the Latin phrase, "should not follow!"
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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Good point, but sometimes it remains fun to argue about certain stuff.
I did not post for the sake of idle argument. It is not an argument, anyway. I was not going to put my post into "Chat" because there is already a perfectly good thread on the subject.I posted to get the viewpoints of my fellow CD'ers on a subject that has become a serious one in my family. That is what we do on CD...get others' viewpoints. If you choose to see every subject that resurfaces as an argument, that reflects your own state of mind. If the subject matter does not interest you, don't open the thread.
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