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Old 03-30-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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I think I am one of those type of people,(elderly) and when I see someone, usually a young person with either of his arms held up to the side of his head, driving I try to stay out of their way.
Excellent point, in fact I tend to see way more people on their cell phones or texting than very elderly folks driving. Although this thread is about older folks on the road, the general population poses as much of a threat on the road by being distracted with these devices.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Excellent point, in fact I tend to see way more people on their cell phones or texting than very elderly folks driving. Although this thread is about older folks on the road, the general population poses as much of a threat on the road by being distracted with these devices.
Yes, texting while driving is absolutely inexcusable; there is no defense of the practice. However, there is still a difference between texting (a practice primarily of the young) and the impairments primarily found among the old.

The teen who is texting can sometimes be cured of the practice, by getting a ticket, having a close call, having an acutal accident, or having a friend have an accident. But the elderly impaired driver normally cannot be cured; in the case of most impairments of the elderly, those impairments will (tragically) be with them until they die. Even some drunks go to AA and stop drinking, but no such solution exists for the elderly, save for exceptional cases where modern medicine finds a cure for what is wrong.

Also, the teen who is horribly unsafe while texting is not texting the whole time he or she is driving, whereas the medically/mentally impaired driver is unsafe at all times.

This thread has shown a strange defensiveness in reaction to stories about older people and their driving. I don't believe any of the tellers of those stories are claiming that ALL elderly drivers are bad drivers. So, for those of you who are upset and over-reacting, that is not necessary. All the statistics are in a sense of little meaning, because if we know someone personally of any age who is impaired and is a danger on the road, then that is scary as hell, and yes, that someone should be reported, regardless of age.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Escort Rider. that is exactly what my uncle thought. He knew that his father (my grandfather) had been very lucky in that crunching a mailbox was vastly different than hitting a kid (or anyone else who inadvertently might be in his path). It was a real concern in our family at the time. But how to deal with the one who is/was the major and dominant person of the family?

My grandfather later admitted that it was the best decision. Interesting thing though - it wasn't vision or hearing that was his problem. It was his reflexes. He could see the particular driving situation evolving but he simply couldn't react fast enough to avoid the problem.
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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As far as I know, only four States have mandatory reporting laws for physicians, Florida, California, Nevada,
I found a very relevant article on this subject
Reporting by Physicians of Impaired Drivers and Potentially Impaired Drivers

Having worked for many years with older folks...I walk a fine line, of "Don't ask, don't tell". But if someone is severely disabled and should not be driving, I am pretty blunt with them if they are driving. No one has cussed me out yet...close. My job is to help people, and if folks are seeing me, they know they need help.
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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Yes, texting while driving is absolutely inexcusable; there is no defense of the practice. However, there is still a difference between texting (a practice primarily of the young) and the impairments primarily found among the old.

The teen who is texting can sometimes be cured of the practice, by getting a ticket, having a close call, having an acutal accident, or having a friend have an accident. But the elderly impaired driver normally cannot be cured; in the case of most impairments of the elderly, those impairments will (tragically) be with them until they die. Even some drunks go to AA and stop drinking, but no such solution exists for the elderly, save for exceptional cases where modern medicine finds a cure for what is wrong.

Also, the teen who is horribly unsafe while texting is not texting the whole time he or she is driving, whereas the medically/mentally impaired driver is unsafe at all times.

This thread has shown a strange defensiveness in reaction to stories about older people and their driving. I don't believe any of the tellers of those stories are claiming that ALL elderly drivers are bad drivers. So, for those of you who are upset and over-reacting, that is not necessary. All the statistics are in a sense of little meaning, because if we know someone personally of any age who is impaired and is a danger on the road, then that is scary as hell, and yes, that someone should be reported, regardless of age.
The only solution will be to take away the keys. I do feel like this will be more of an issue as the boomer population advances deep into their later years in life and more will be on the road. Which brings the question of what type of system should be implemented to prevent a tragedy resulting from an elderly person who is medically/mentally impaired due to advance age. My personal opinion is that this responsibility should fall not only to the elderly person and his family, friends, law enforcement, but to society as a whole. Based on their driving history, their age, these folks should be required to be tested more frequently to retain the privilege to drive. I'm not in the position to come up with the criteria for that process. But I do feel its the responsibility of all to look for red flags, and have a system in place that makes the most sense for the sake of everyone's safety.
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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The issue is NOT older drivers.

The issue is older drivers who have an obvious disability, vision problems, dementia, side effects from medication, and this has been identified by family members as an impediment to activities of daily living, and that includes driving.

This is not a discussion of taking away driving privileges of seniors who have no cognitive or physical problems.

Now, who wants to defend seniors who are legally blind should still be driving?
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Yes, texting while driving is absolutely inexcusable; there is no defense of the practice. However, there is still a difference between texting (a practice primarily of the young) and the impairments primarily found among the old.

The teen who is texting can sometimes be cured of the practice, by getting a ticket, having a close call, having an acutal accident, or having a friend have an accident. But the elderly impaired driver normally cannot be cured; in the case of most impairments of the elderly, those impairments will (tragically) be with them until they die. Even some drunks go to AA and stop drinking, but no such solution exists for the elderly, save for exceptional cases where modern medicine finds a cure for what is wrong.

Also, the teen who is horribly unsafe while texting is not texting the whole time he or she is driving, whereas the medically/mentally impaired driver is unsafe at all times.

This thread has shown a strange defensiveness in reaction to stories about older people and their driving. I don't believe any of the tellers of those stories are claiming that ALL elderly drivers are bad drivers. So, for those of you who are upset and over-reacting, that is not necessary. All the statistics are in a sense of little meaning, because if we know someone personally of any age who is impaired and is a danger on the road, then that is scary as hell, and yes, that someone should be reported, regardless of age.

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Old 03-30-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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a lot of the problem also stems from prescription medication. Something like 75 percent of people over 65 take up to 14 prescription medications daily. Notwithstanding the bad effects of interaction between these chemical substances, many of them IMPAIR a persons cognitive abilities.

I used to work with an old guy when he did not take his blood pressure medicine he was fine, but when he did, he became an imbecile. He had something like 20 accidents in one year.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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How about we retest everyone who causes an accident, even the little fender bender? Sounds fair to me.
No one is arguing that others who pose a threat (texters, younger disabled who are driving-impaired, those with records of reckless driving, etc etc) should not be probationed and tested/retested.

I do wish we would stay on the subject of the very old impaired senior, so we don't keep bringing other issues into the discussion. We all know about the "others."
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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I don't hear of these types of accidents very often, certainly not compared to all of the everyday accidents caused by distracted drivers......yet, when an elderly driver has an accident, it makes the headlines instead of a blip on page four.

I have to wonder, why is that?

IMO, elderly drivers are being targeted because they are easy to identify because of their age.

Whereas, the VAST majority of accidents are caused by non elderly drivers who are usually driving recklessly.......too fast, texting, talking on the phone.

One other question I would like to ask.......all of you who say you would turn in grandpa.....would you turn in a younger family member who you KNOW always texts while driving?

"Officer, my husband always texts while driving and I am afraid he is going to kill someone. You can catch him on his way to work, he will be heading south on Wilson Rd. at 7:35 am. driving a blue Honda Accord.....license number XXX000."

Why would you report one to the police and not the other?
Please see my post below, on "others." This discussion is not about "others." That is another topic.
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