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Old 07-24-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Coming from the "news" profession (journalism), I am not at all surprised at how little people know, and frankly, I don't blame them. There was a lot of secrecy around this whole thing and it was given to the public in dribs and drabs, and at that, from mainstream news — from the WH to the lips of Associated Press (AP) and to our ears. The average working person gets the news daily in small sound bytes completely out of context that would allow some thought and analysis. They hear fear tactics from pros and antis. They have extremists blabbing from both sides. I cannot think of a single television or radio program that has laid out the workings of this "plan" in lay terms for public consumption. Now we are being blamed way too late for not taking responsibility for understanding 2,000 pages worth of content. If the info is 'out there' in comprehensive form for the lay person in lay language, I'd like to know where. Then I might better understand how we might have missed it.
Of course you are right!

I have been dealing with this legislation since it was first introduced. The first bill was from Ted Kennedy's office. If I recall correctly, it was around 900 pages. I had to read every word, not b/c I am a glutton for punishment, but I was working with clients who needed me to advise. I did this w/ the assistance of an attorney. It was hell and I literally put in several 18+ hour days in a row. And that was only the beginning.

The legislation morphed into more than 2000 pages and the things included . . . I could not believe that this administration would even attempt to "get away" with such stuff as spending millions on marketing a dental message IN SPANISH. $50 Million. To run an ad that children should brush their teeth, and run it in Spanish only. Hello? This is something that should be in local public health marketing plans, not in federal legislation!

Anyway, that is just one tiny little crazy insertion in that legislation. There are literally hundreds of programs costing millions of dollars and creating regs over things that should not be in federal legislation. Heck, they shouldn't even be in state legislation. They should be a budget item in a local agency's program. They should have been issued as guidelines, at the most, but not included in legislation.

I still cannot fathom that so much pork got stuck in that bill and folks think somehow it is going to "save the average person money." No it is not.

And the fact that it was a political move to roll it out after the last election . . . well . . . I just won't even go there.

I have to dig and dig hard to get info so I should not be flippant about finding the specifics on ACA. I guess what gets me is . . . when I try to impart some info - or suggest to folks that they are way off track and need to seek more info, they are dismissive and keep parroting a few tidbits that the White House has dropped to the public, as if that is all that is contained in 2000 pages of legislation.

You are right, NEG. Folks rely on the media and the integrity of their leaders. It is hard to comprehend how much has been smoke and mirrors b/c in our daily lives, and in our careers, we certainly know that eventually "the piper must be paid." So playing a game with information isn't something we are used to. But that is exactly what has happened with this legislation and from this Administration. And that is why I am so aggravated.

 
Old 07-24-2013, 07:03 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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I wanted to say a public THANK YOU to Escort Rider for a wake up call. I needed to take a step back with my attitude.

NEG - you hit on it, too - the info is not easy to find and I shouldn't be so dismissive with folks.

ESCORT RIDER: because of your gentle but to the point post, I took a deep breath and was able to deal with a client call (on case management issues arising from ACA - planning for 2014) and instead of coming across as curt and frustrated, I was able to be resourceful, professional and encouraging with the progress that is being made in the organization. The client needed to hear the voice of calm reassurance and specific guidance.

I am deeply grateful. Thank you, my friend.
 
Old 07-24-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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I wanted to say a public THANK YOU to Escort Rider for a wake up call. I needed to take a step back with my attitude.

NEG - you hit on it, too - the info is not easy to find and I shouldn't be so dismissive with folks.

ESCORT RIDER: because of your gentle but to the point post, I took a deep breath and was able to deal with a client call (on case management issues arising from ACA - planning for 2014) and instead of coming across as curt and frustrated, I was able to be resourceful, professional and encouraging with the progress that is being made in the organization. The client needed to hear the voice of calm reassurance and specific guidance.

I am deeply grateful. Thank you, my friend.
Not sure I deserve that much praise, but you are very, very welcome.
 
Old 07-24-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Not sure I deserve that much praise, but you are very, very welcome.
You took the time to point out that I needed to rethink my attitude (without even saying that specifically). Who would bother to do that? You did.
 
Old 07-24-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Originally Posted by anifani821 View Post
Of course you are right!

I have been dealing with this legislation since it was first introduced. The first bill was from Ted Kennedy's office. If I recall correctly, it was around 900 pages. I had to read every word, not b/c I am a glutton for punishment, but I was working with clients who needed me to advise. I did this w/ the assistance of an attorney. It was hell and I literally put in several 18+ hour days in a row. And that was only the beginning.

The legislation morphed into more than 2000 pages and the things included . . . I could not believe that this administration would even attempt to "get away" with such stuff as spending millions on marketing a dental message IN SPANISH. $50 Million. To run an ad that children should brush their teeth, and run it in Spanish only. Hello? This is something that should be in local public health marketing plans, not in federal legislation!

Anyway, that is just one tiny little crazy insertion in that legislation. There are literally hundreds of programs costing millions of dollars and creating regs over things that should not be in federal legislation. Heck, they shouldn't even be in state legislation. They should be a budget item in a local agency's program. They should have been issued as guidelines, at the most, but not included in legislation.

I still cannot fathom that so much pork got stuck in that bill and folks think somehow it is going to "save the average person money." No it is not.

And the fact that it was a political move to roll it out after the last election . . . well . . . I just won't even go there.

I have to dig and dig hard to get info so I should not be flippant about finding the specifics on ACA. I guess what gets me is . . . when I try to impart some info - or suggest to folks that they are way off track and need to seek more info, they are dismissive and keep parroting a few tidbits that the White House has dropped to the public, as if that is all that is contained in 2000 pages of legislation.

You are right, NEG. Folks rely on the media and the integrity of their leaders. It is hard to comprehend how much has been smoke and mirrors b/c in our daily lives, and in our careers, we certainly know that eventually "the piper must be paid." So playing a game with information isn't something we are used to. But that is exactly what has happened with this legislation and from this Administration. And that is why I am so aggravated.
I bolded just some portions of your post that, I'm sorry, made me chuckle. It's far more pleasant to react in that matter than to cry.

I spent many years working healthcare legislation and the politics of it at both a state level and federal and most of what you lamented is just politics as usual. Follow the money and count the votes and you'll know that politicians by-and-large lack integrity as does most of the mainstream media.

By the way, all administrations manipulate the news to one extent or the other but in my opinion, this one does it more than any other I recall and that's coming from my experience of many years as a political and legislative analyst.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans make no effort to educate themselves about the very issues that guide their lives in this country or the processes. They rely on sound bites, sensationalism and blogs to "learn" about the issues and their elected "representatives" to take care of them. Consequently they are woefully ignorant and easily led. Talk about leaving the fox to guard the henhouse.
 
Old 07-24-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Originally Posted by anifani821 View Post
the integrity of their leaders. It is hard to comprehend how much has been smoke and mirrors b/c in our daily lives, and in our careers, we certainly know that eventually "the piper must be paid." So playing a game with information isn't something we are used to. But that is exactly what has happened with this legislation and from this Administration. And that is why I am so aggravated.
The true job of the independent or investigative journalist (where are they to be found these days?) is to objectively (without bias) take complex public information and re-present it, not paraphrasing (that's dangerous!) but condensing it without taking any points out of context (that's dangerous too). The journalists today are all working for mainstream media and are told what to write by their editors, who are mostly streaming from the same source, Associated Press. Pack journalists hover around the White House and mark down every little thing that comes out of "press conferences," which all contain a highly orchestrated spin that savvy people know is relatively worthless. However, if you attempt to get the real lowdown from "alternative news sources," you are denigrated for going to "liberal leftwing sources."

The truth is that O-care is all being driven by corporate interest and so there's really no one political party behind it. It's all one. And the spin on this bill has been nothing short of ridiculous. I would like to see one comprehensive, nonbiased source that fully explains the salient points of this new system, written to the level of average American reading comprehension and retention (that level has been proved to be 5th-grade level English). When I see this source, and how well it has been exposed to the general public, then I can better judge who is at fault for the ignorance abounding. I would suspect you are not the only one who is aggravated ~
 
Old 07-24-2013, 08:37 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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I bolded just some portions of your post that, I'm sorry, made me chuckle. It's far more pleasant to react in that matter than to cry.

I spent many years working healthcare legislation and the politics of it at both a state level and federal and most of what you lamented is just politics as usual. Follow the money and count the votes and you'll know that politicians by-and-large lack integrity as does most of the mainstream media.

By the way, all administrations manipulate the news to one extent or the other but in my opinion, this one does it more than any other I recall and that's coming from my experience of many years as a political and legislative analyst.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans make no effort to educate themselves about the very issues that guide their lives in this country or the processes. They rely on sound bites, sensationalism and blogs to "learn" about the issues and their elected "representatives" to take care of them. Consequently they are woefully ignorant and easily led. Talk about leaving the fox to guard the henhouse.
Yes, you summed it up. We do leave the Fox to guard the Hen House. And right again - nothing new in that.

The older I get, the more it is bothering me. I no longer even listen to the news. I used to keep C-SPAN on for the majority of the day (from its inception through the 90s and into the early 2000s). I stopped that sometime after 9/11 and don't remember why . . . probably b/c I started leaving the TV on CNN. I got fed up with CNN in 2008 or so . . . and now I just don't typically even turn on the TV during the day. Better for my blood pressure, lololol.
 
Old 07-24-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Originally Posted by newenglandgirl View Post
The true job of the independent or investigative journalist (where are they to be found these days?) is to objectively (without bias) take complex public information and re-present it, not paraphrasing (that's dangerous!) but condensing it without taking any points out of context (that's dangerous too). The journalists today are all working for mainstream media and are told what to write by their editors, who are mostly streaming from the same source, Associated Press. Pack journalists hover around the White House and mark down every little thing that comes out of "press conferences," which all contain a highly orchestrated spin that savvy people know is relatively worthless. However, if you attempt to get the real lowdown from "alternative news sources," you are denigrated for going to "liberal leftwing sources."

The truth is that O-care is all being driven by corporate interest and so there's really no one political party behind it. It's all one. And the spin on this bill has been nothing short of ridiculous. I would like to see one comprehensive, nonbiased source that fully explains the salient points of this new system, written to the level of average American reading comprehension and retention (that level has been proved to be 5th-grade level English). When I see this source, and how well it has been exposed to the general public, then I can better judge who is at fault for the ignorance abounding. I would suspect you are not the only one who is aggravated ~
Amen and Amen.

That is exactly how I feel about the situation. My family and friends have been discussing this for about 6 years - we are shocked at how little "in-depth" reporting is even attempted. And it is truly puzzling since the air time is there! With 24/7 reporting -- I cannot fathom why there aren't Woodward and Bernstein types out there digging, digging.

But there aren't.

News has become "entertainment."
 
Old 07-25-2013, 08:46 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Waiting to hear from my Dad today. He had a biopsy last week of two tumors on his thyroid. He is very concerned that it is cancer (of course) but I have hope that these are possibly nodules that have been there many years and benign.

Poor guy was really stressed out about it last evening b/c this particular doc is so brusque and Dad is from the generation that doesn't ask questions and just does what the doc says. We have all advised Dad that no matter what the doc says "is the next step," he needs to see an endocrinologist next. This guy is an ENT and we feel he should have sent Dad to an Endocrinologist immediately. The tumors were found "by accident" while looking at his neck for other problems (actually, parotid gland infection). My Dad tried to tell him he wanted to see an Endocrinologist from Day One but this doctor intimidated him by rushing him to get the biopsy immediately on the spot.

These are patient issues that upset me so much when it comes to elderly folks. Docs know that Medicare is going to pay so let's keep the patient captive instead of handing him off to a specialist.

So Dad wrote down a statement in case he gets addled, and will simply read it if he needs to - to tell this Doc - no more procedures, no more scheduling; I am going to make an appt. with an Endocrinologist.
 
Old 07-25-2013, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Tomorrow we will celebrate the life of my youngest son. He passed away from alcohol poisoning sometime between Saturday night and Sunday afternoon. He had had problems with alcohol his entire adult life. He started drinking heavily after his divorce a year ago. While I mourn his passing, I'm grateful that he is at peace.
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