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Old 12-10-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Strange occurrence...brought the husband home from the hospital yesterday and after awhile realized he still was sporting his IV catheter.
The nurse was a sweet little girl and overworked as so many hospital RN's are these days and I know she would get in a lot of trouble for having let this slip by her . I really don't want that to happen so I just gave it overnight to make sure the last Heparin shot has worn off and will play 'nurse' as soon as he wakes up.
This is one hospital that isn't going to get a very complimentary review when they send out the survey so other complaints, several to do with understaffing, should cover this since mentioning it specifically would lead back to her.
Then, the other side of my brain says it should be brought up even if it gets her in hot water.
Do you argue with yourself often?
I haven't looked at the chat thread in several days, or would have responded to it sooner.

This is something I have some expertise in . . . my company handles those "patient satisfaction" surveys.

Maybe you already called, but if you didn't, I hope will reconsider. Ask for the nurse manager for that floor (where your husband stayed), and tell her exactly what happened, dates, etc.

I don't care who it was and how much trouble they get in . . . this is a big deal . . . not only with quality of care, but also with infection control and medical errors.

Someone needs to be apprised and the whole staff needs to be reviewed on procedures. This type of error should NEVER occur. EVER. It is inexcusable.

No one will be fired for it but the whole staff needs to be aware of how easily it can happen and that there needs to be a check system in place b/f patients are discharged, and it should be followed religiously.

The bill will doubtless be for more than a Ritz Carlton stay, and you should expect the best of care . . . if errors are not called to management's attention, they will happen again.
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Old 12-10-2013, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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I haven't looked at the chat thread in several days, or would have responded to it sooner.

This is something I have some expertise in . . . my company handles those "patient satisfaction" surveys.

Maybe you already called, but if you didn't, I hope will reconsider. Ask for the nurse manager for that floor (where your husband stayed), and tell her exactly what happened, dates, etc.

I don't care who it was and how much trouble they get in . . . this is a big deal . . . not only with quality of care, but also with infection control and medical errors.

Someone needs to be apprised and the whole staff needs to be reviewed on procedures. This type of error should NEVER occur. EVER. It is inexcusable.

No one will be fired for it but the whole staff needs to be aware of how easily it can happen and that there needs to be a check system in place b/f patients are discharged, and it should be followed religiously.

The bill will doubtless be for more than a Ritz Carlton stay, and you should expect the best of care . . . if errors are not called to management's attention, they will happen again.
On second thought, I echo what ani says here. Even though infection, etc didn't occur in this instance, think what could have happened. Procedure and checkpoints must be instituted. Seems like the discharge nurse would be responsible for the final check and seriously fell down on the job.
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Old 12-10-2013, 09:24 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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I can't really discuss all this in detail (privacy issues) but I need to vent . . . and I didn't want to put it in a separate thread.

Hubby's health has deteriorated rapidly. Due to assistance from a colleague, we got him in to see a highly specialized cardiologist today. The news isn't good and I am just numb. I have not been in denial . . . but I guess I did not realize how few options we would have.

I have a dear friend whose husband lived over 10 years with a very similar congestive heart failure diagnosis (hubby has other diagnoses along with CHF) . . . even tho he was wheelchair bound for 8 of those years. So I assumed that his activity level would decrease but he would be fine by compensating with a wheelchair. I was soooo wrong.

We are scrambling to make decisions and push for appointments as he has been told he has only a few months of a "window" for a high risk surgery - high risk meaning - high mortality rate. I just wasn't prepared to hear this. Even with the surgery, statistics indicate that a good outcome is a two year extension on his life expectancy.

Just not what I was expecting to hear. I don't know what I thought I would hear, to be honest.
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Old 12-11-2013, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ani
The best thing I can tell you right now, is don't get frightened or discouraged by statistics. From other posts, I have the idea you put much credence in them but remember, they generally are stated so as to promote the worst side.
Even a 30% mortality rate sounds dreadful but it means that 70% do well.
Somebody has to be in that majority.
When my husband began his medical journey, the official terminology for one condition included the words "end stage".
While accurate, it's also scary and very deceptive (and since , is generally no longer used)
Every statistic used 5 year windows....that was 8 years ago.

This recent addition of CHF presented an additional set of symptoms to deal with and I doubt many would have put $1 down on his odds this past week...pacemaker/defibrillator insertion while in for double pneumonia....but here he is, hoping to summon up enough strength to play at least one game of shuffleboard during the tournament this weekend.

Keep your chin up and only look at the best side of those stats((((Ani))))))
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Dear Anifani, You are in my thoughts. There is nothing I can say to make things any easier for you. How could you be other than "numb" right now? Hang in there.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:45 AM
 
Location: UpstateNY
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{{{{{Ani}}}}}

Thank you old_cold for putting the medical statistics thing in perspective. That and there is always faith and hope.

Every day is a gift. Treasure it and those you love. You only get one day at a time. No one knows what tomorrow will bring or if it will even get here.

That being said, I know how shaken you can feel when presented with this stuff.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Ani
The best thing I can tell you right now, is don't get frightened or discouraged by statistics. From other posts, I have the idea you put much credence in them but remember, they generally are stated so as to promote the worst side.
Even a 30% mortality rate sounds dreadful but it means that 70% do well.
Somebody has to be in that majority.
When my husband began his medical journey, the official terminology for one condition included the words "end stage".
While accurate, it's also scary and very deceptive (and since , is generally no longer used)
Every statistic used 5 year windows....that was 8 years ago.

This recent addition of CHF presented an additional set of symptoms to deal with and I doubt many would have put $1 down on his odds this past week...pacemaker/defibrillator insertion while in for double pneumonia....but here he is, hoping to summon up enough strength to play at least one game of shuffleboard during the tournament this weekend.

Keep your chin up and only look at the best side of those stats((((Ani))))))
Thank you so much, old_cold. Hearing someone else's experiences means more than you can know (or maybe you do know!!! you've been there!!!)

He has gone down so rapidly. I think that is what has affected my thought processes the most. I had not expected it to happen this way. I assumed he may become wheelchair bound but like another dear friend's hubby . . . live quite a full life in a less ambulatory state.

To be told he would be bedridden . . . I don't know. Just hadn't prepared myself for that, I guess.

Thank you for your wise words. I have taken them to heart and it was what I needed today - exactly what I needed.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:18 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Dear Anifani, You are in my thoughts. There is nothing I can say to make things any easier for you. How could you be other than "numb" right now? Hang in there.
Thank you, Escort!!! Yes, numb and floundering, but definitely better after thinking about what old_cold shared.

One day at a time.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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{{{{{Ani}}}}}

Thank you old_cold for putting the medical statistics thing in perspective. That and there is always faith and hope.

Every day is a gift. Treasure it and those you love. You only get one day at a time. No one knows what tomorrow will bring or if it will even get here.

That being said, I know how shaken you can feel when presented with this stuff.
Yes . . . I thought I was making plans for us that were moving along . . . this information does change things so I am processing all that, too. Need to get this house on the market (it is two levels and that isn't going to work).

Just a lot swirling around in my head. Hubby and I have talked about how it has felt as though we were dealing with a ticking time bomb the last five years . . . you try to be prepared for the emergencies, all the things that can go wrong, suddenly . . . but in the end, there really is no way to be totally prepared.

A difficult state of being for a person like me, who has contingency plans for everything.

My mother and I are not very close but at times she has given me some sage advice . . . she has said for many years -- the things we worry about never unfold the way we think they will and the things that truly impact our lives usually cannot be foreseen and planned for. I believed her and the older I get, I see how that has proven to be true.

Life is a journey.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: UpstateNY
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Old Yiddish proverb (translated badly) which has stuck with me since my Dad passed unexpectedly last September-

'Man makes plans and God laughs.'

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Therefore we do not lose heart.
Though outwardly we are wasting away,
yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.
For our light and momentary troubles
are achieving for us an eternal glory
that far outweighs them all.
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen,
but on what is unseen.
For what is seen is temporary,
but what is unseen is eternal.

-2 Corinthians 4:16-18
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