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Old 07-14-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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I think there is a sort of free-floating anxiety "out there" in the world right now . . . it has been building for a long time and may be the culmination of the fall out from 2008 and the economic crash that began at that time.

All I know is, I regularly get pummeled. Of course, I haven't been online as much the last six weeks but wow - folks are often way over the top with anger issues, thin skins, and wackadoodle ideas.

I have spent more time lately on my own FB account, where we all try to life each other up and any discussion is civil and out of love and concern. The fact that folks are "anonymous" on C-D also gives them internal permission, I think, to be ugly (sadly).
I am of the opinion that there are more angry people in NC now than when we first came almost seven years ago. It is interesting that the folks in the neighborhood don't seem impacted but then again they for the most part or better are doing financially well. It is out in public that you can sense and feel hostility in places. People in the DC region when we visit and are out in public are as happy as ever. Again many are prospering there. At the beach hey it is at the beach and folks when out in public in the areas of Wilmington we go to seem to be happy but again those are places people go to be happy. There is sociological circle discussions that we have a growing class of folks with limited education and money who are becoming increasingly angry at and about what they see as others having what they don't deserve. Many a high school jock, didn't study and now has a pot belly and the factory closed on them and they resent the Geek driving a BMW. There are other underlying causes that are best left to other forums. Just consider this forum overall and the criticism some level at others when finances and money resources come up.

 
Old 07-14-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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I am of the opinion that there are more angry people in NC now than when we first came almost seven years ago. It is interesting that the folks in the neighborhood don't seem impacted but then again they for the most part or better are doing financially well. It is out in public that you can sense and feel hostility in places. People in the DC region when we visit and are out in public are as happy as ever. Again many are prospering there. At the beach hey it is at the beach and folks when out in public in the areas of Wilmington we go to seem to be happy but again those are places people go to be happy. There is sociological circle discussions that we have a growing class of folks with limited education and money who are becoming increasingly angry at and about what they see as others having what they don't deserve. Many a high school jock, didn't study and now has a pot belly and the factory closed on them and they resent the Geek driving a BMW. There are other underlying causes that are best left to other forums. Just consider this forum overall and the criticism some level at others when finances and money resources come up.
Accurate observations!!!

I see/feel/hear the hostility regularly in my area. There are still a LOT of people in this state who have never recovered from job loss in 2008/9. I know many folks in this position, including 2 of my neighbors. They did finally get jobs after long stints of unemployment, but both are being paid about 1/2 of their original jobs. And the thing is - these are educated, intelligent, hard working people.

I also know of maybe a dozen folks (not exclusively in NC) who lost their jobs, took mediocre jobs, then ended up applying (and getting) Disability - or who qualified for "welfare" and have no plans to get off it. They lost their homes (or never had a home) . . . are happy living in low rent areas or mobile homes and fine with doing nothing all day but watching TV and sitting at their computers. The $900 or so they get from Disability and I guess whatever other help they are getting (food banks? Food stamps? not sure what they qualify for) and whatever money their spouse is making (or bringing in on his/her Disability!). . . they have given up and are fine with living what I consider a very substandard lifestyle. At least, I would feel it were substandard if I had to live like they are living (and basically - have chosen to live).

They have truly "given up." Only one of these folks is over 60. The rest are what I consider "young folks" - in their early 40s to mid-50s.

I think there is a lot of depression out there, too. Anger and depression.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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Accurate observations!!!

I see/feel/hear the hostility regularly in my area. There are still a LOT of people in this state who have never recovered from job loss in 2008/9. I know many folks in this position, including 2 of my neighbors. They did finally get jobs after long stints of unemployment, but both are being paid about 1/2 of their original jobs. And the thing is - these are educated, intelligent, hard working people.

I also know of maybe a dozen folks (not exclusively in NC) who lost their jobs, took mediocre jobs, then ended up applying (and getting) Disability - or who qualified for "welfare" and have no plans to get off it. They lost their homes (or never had a home) . . . are happy living in low rent areas or mobile homes and fine with doing nothing all day but watching TV and sitting at their computers. The $900 or so they get from Disability and I guess whatever other help they are getting (food banks? Food stamps? not sure what they qualify for) and whatever money their spouse is making (or bringing in on his/her Disability!). . . they have given up and are fine with living what I consider a very substandard lifestyle. At least, I would feel it were substandard if I had to live like they are living (and basically - have chosen to live).

They have truly "given up." Only one of these folks is over 60. The rest are what I consider "young folks" - in their early 40s to mid-50s.

I think there is a lot of depression out there, too. Anger and depression.
Especially when those folks go out and see others thriving especially those they don't think should be. It is not just across demographics but also within.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:03 AM
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Location: Cody, WY
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This morning in the California Forum I was favorably impressed by a poster who had apologized to someone who felt insulted by one of her posts, so I made the following comment:

"Although this matter is none of my business, I have enormous respect for you because of your decision to apologize. The ability to apologize is a mark of good character, in my opinion."

That was the entirety of my post. Well guess what? Instead of just gracefully acknowledging my comment with a brief thanks (or just letting it go without any commentary at all), the person whom I had tried to compliment had to find a way to be snarky and stick her knife in.

What is it with all the generalized hostility out there?

Edited to add: Within the last few days a poster in the Economics Forum said he was "praying" for a total world-wide economic collapse. What kind of misanthropy would permit someone to wish for abject suffering for hundreds of millions of people? Perhaps, of course, he didn't really mean it and it was a troll post. But with some of those people I get the impression they really do mean it!
I'm not surprised that you posted no links. However, I believe that they are relevant so 'll do it.

Here's the California thread. See posts 107-8. Fran66's response was candid and funny. In the Age of Euphemism and Fear of Offending it was most refreshing as well.

What is your breaking point for moving out of California?

Here's the Economics thread. See post 59. Baron Rothschild advised buying when there is ''blood in the streets''. George Soros did very well in the real estate crash. I don't believe that Mr. Rider is very familiar with investments or investors. Everyone who invests using his own knowledge understood the OP's sentiments.

Is anyone else hoping for another recession?
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:09 AM
 
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I am of the opinion that there are more angry people in NC now than when we first came almost seven years ago. It is interesting that the folks in the neighborhood don't seem impacted but then again they for the most part or better are doing financially well. It is out in public that you can sense and feel hostility in places. People in the DC region when we visit and are out in public are as happy as ever. Again many are prospering there. At the beach hey it is at the beach and folks when out in public in the areas of Wilmington we go to seem to be happy but again those are places people go to be happy. There is sociological circle discussions that we have a growing class of folks with limited education and money who are becoming increasingly angry at and about what they see as others having what they don't deserve. Many a high school jock, didn't study and now has a pot belly and the factory closed on them and they resent the Geek driving a BMW. There are other underlying causes that are best left to other forums. Just consider this forum overall and the criticism some level at others when finances and money resources come up.
I don't see anger and resentment overtly in my limited perspective here. There may be those who like to balance blatantly inaccurate comments by those who are totally secure, but those I know seem to know that feasible choices and excellent opportunities are what put people where they are in terms of wealth.

I am not speaking of inner-city people in ghetto-like n'hoods whom I do not know, just of those who are at the middle and lower end of the shrinking middle class many of whom, BTW, are educated. I just don't feel or see any overt hostility in this sector, in my area or circles. Maybe expressed privately, who knows.

Also, re: those whom you observe in public who appear financially secure: none of us would have any way of knowing how well they prosper. They could be out having a grand old time while in enormous debt or underwater mortgages or whatever. Americans like to live like we have it all, whether we do or not.

So...actual examples of hostilities?
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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I don't see anger and resentment overtly in my limited perspective here. There may be those who like to balance blatantly inaccurate comments by those who are totally secure, but those I know seem to know that feasible choices and excellent opportunities are what put people where they are in terms of wealth.

I am not speaking of inner-city people in ghetto-like n'hoods whom I do not know, just of those who are at the middle and lower end of the shrinking middle class many of whom, BTW, are educated. I just don't feel or see any overt hostility in this sector, in my area or circles. Maybe expressed privately, who knows.

Also, re: those whom you observe in public who appear financially secure: none of us would have any way of knowing how well they prosper. They could be out having a grand old time while in enormous debt or underwater mortgages or whatever. Americans like to live like we have it all, whether we do or not.

So...actual examples of hostilities?
Your neck of the woods is different as is NOVA and many other areas. North Carolina has had a much higher historic dropout rate and many areas have been crushed financially in recent years. Also the politics and tolerance are and have been different. Add in transplants etc etc.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:34 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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So...actual examples of hostilities?
Especially obvious when driving, if the other person is in a crappy car and you are driving a nice car . . . same in parking lots . . .

Grocery stores -- people giving dirty looks to those using food stamps (I have also heard the muttered remarks, such things as "OMG - buying Pepsi and chips instead of milk and eggs" etc) . . . and the folks looking down and out having an F YOU mentality - going off at people for imagined slights, arguments over perceived insults. Arguments in parking lots over parking spaces, of all things. Loud comments made from the down and out folks towards someone dressed better, or in a better car . . . things like "don't you think you are special" or "look at Miss Got Rocks" or "You think you are so high and mighty" etc.

Now, mind you, I have not had such comments aimed at me!!! lol For one thing, I walk around with a smile on my face and interact with all people with respect. But I sure have seen a lot of anger between folks "over nothing."
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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Especially when those folks go out and see others thriving especially those they don't think should be. It is not just across demographics but also within.
It's generalizations that lead to pervasive generalizations. SOME may have given up, SOME may be resentful, etc. But I would guess, based on alternate observations, that there are as many or more who are self-adjusting, getting what jobs they can find and what housing they can afford after losing what they had. They all didn't start off as losers, and they all haven't wound up with pot bellies in front of a TV.

On another note, it's possible that where one could see the most polarization (and perhaps more detectable resentment) is in geographic areas that have a high concentration of wealthy people and also in the same place the underclass that serves them in restaurants, hotels, etc. As if wages were not pitiful enough, a few, like my sister, decline to leave a well-deserved tip in hotels. "Saving" a little bit of money while spending a lot. Not all, but some.

A better understanding of the economy across all demographics (those who have always had a hard time for reasons we know and those who are falling closer to poverty for reasons that are much more complex) may be the first thing to remedying it.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:44 AM
 
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It's generalizations that lead to pervasive generalizations. SOME may have given up, SOME may be resentful, etc. But I would guess, based on alternate observations, that there are as many or more who are self-adjusting, getting what jobs they can find and what housing they can afford after losing what they had. They all didn't start off as losers, and they all haven't wound up with pot bellies in front of a TV.

On another note, it's possible that where one could see the most polarization (and perhaps more detectable resentment) is in geographic areas that have a high concentration of wealthy people and also in the same place the underclass that serves them in restaurants, hotels, etc. As if wages were not pitiful enough, a few, like my sister, decline to leave a well-deserved tip in hotels. "Saving" a little bit of money while spending a lot. Not all, but some.

A better understanding of the economy across all demographics (those who have always had a hard time for reasons we know and those who are falling closer to poverty for reasons that are much more complex) may be the first thing to remedying it.
NEG, all of what you say plus is true
growing anger in america - Bing

I will send you a PM so as to stay on track in the thread.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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I am now circulating in the small village where I grew up but between having no illusions about things never changing and getting used to locking the car every time I get out of it while in Florida, I have carried over that habit......except for the one day there was nothing in in it and had parked in front of the local diner.
Sigh.....something was in it. The handicap tag hanging from the mirror.
My daughter, which is why I was using it, told me she had two stolen before she realized it's a common problem.
You gotta know what I am hoping for for the SOB that took it so it's needed......nothing permanent, maybe just a broken leg or ankle
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