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Old 09-20-2011, 02:26 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Maybe on second thought I should tell about the bad and not always the good, on and on, like a broken record I am told. OK, now , we have most days the highest gas prices in Michigan. Food prices are higher due to the great distance it has to be trucked. Home prices and apartment rentals are higher than any other place in the UP. I lived in a 2 bedroom apt. for 2 years while building my house, My rent was 1200.00 a month. There are places just as nice in the burbs around Chicago , for less. Another thing, We do have a couple of Malls , but if you want a serious mall the long drive to Appleton, Wi. can be a problem. Also , the UP has very few people, we have 1/3rd the size of Michigan as a whole , but less than 5 per cent of the people. This makes for a delicate balance , The closing of a major business or factory can upset our jobs picture. Unemployment ,since the closing of the worlds largest airbase ( KI Saywer) in the late nineties still remains about 9 per cent, good times and bad, makes little difference.Lets see what else... we had 4 people drown on our city shore last year. The big bakery closed its doors, US 41 can be a hassle, always busy and some of us hate Michigan turns. If you live by a snowmachine trail, the noise day and night can be bad. You can not get a good steak in any market up here ( aged beef) for any price. Many of the finer restaurants can be expensive, and we lack a good SW Tex/mex as well as a lot of other ethnic dining I had in the Big City. Its a 7 hour drive to Chicago, for that " city Fix" and for those items like furniture, etc, you can,t get here. many of the stores will only Carry a limited supply of any one item , so often sold out and you have to wait a week for the truck to restock.
I know there are more things on the negative side , I just can't think what they are now. I am sure someone will remind me ( us ) on these threads.
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Remember, that Denver and Colorado Springs was a big draw for people who were suffering from Consumption (Tuberculosis) as it was considered the best palliative relief for those symptom. Many of the hospitals where founded as Tuberculosis Sanatoriums. Many rest homes were developed for people who retired from industries that cause lung problems. That is why the Union Printers Home was located in the Springs because the cool dry air was helpful for lung diseases.

I can remember people in my youth with severe asthma relocated to the very dry southwest in Arizona from New York because of the reputed low pollen. I do not think that is the case today with the burgeoning areas with big growth which brings more vegetation but there are many remote and sparsely desert areas that probably have low pollen, very low humidity and are beneficial to some.

I have been here for almost 33 years and the brown cloud is very much diminished over the years with the new environmental controls of autos, industry and ban on fireplace use.

There are some historical references that indicate that there was a brown cloud in the early days of settlement because it is a dry area, dust can at times be a problem and Denver does sit in a bowl, as you noted. Adding the people and the industry increased it but surprisingly more vegetation and trees decreased the dust.

It is still has very low humidity and the air is helpful for many. However, the micro-climate has changed, as in parts of Arizona, because a larger population brings more moisture with planting and watering of vegetation, which is not indigenious to the region.

It really comes down to the climate that you find satisfactory for your own needs. I think many people view warmer climates as the best when a cold climate area as not very beneficial--I think that is not necessarily so for all. So, if people are moving from the colder north and think that the areas with no snow will be the best for all, they are very much mistaken. Places like Marquette could very well be a much better place to live and retire.

Livecontent
We had a lot of places way back also, where people came " for the cure". As to dry. I spent a week in Scotsdale, and hated it. The traffic was horrendous and they had no freeways ! This was winter and all the cactus were in bloom. WE had allegory attacks like never before, then there was the tumble weeds and the wind blowing sand everywhere. Bad place to live I think, ( AZ.) It was much better up around Flagstaff.
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Old 09-20-2011, 03:28 PM
 
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We had a lot of places way back also, where people came " for the cure". As to dry. I spent a week in Scotsdale, and hated it. The traffic was horrendous and they had no freeways ! This was winter and all the cactus were in bloom. WE had allegory attacks like never before, then there was the tumble weeds and the wind blowing sand everywhere. Bad place to live I think, ( AZ.) It was much better up around Flagstaff.
You made me laugh Nothing like a good mispelling to really give a new metaphorical meaning. If you had "allegory attacks" from cactus then I think you were really into the Southwest, as in "peyote". I think you meant "allergy".

I have to say that I never had allergies and asthma, until Colorado. However, I have here from my youth to now being a senior--perhaps it is just getting old and I would have had it if I grew old in New York.

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Old 09-20-2011, 03:59 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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You made me laugh Nothing like a good mispelling to really give a new metaphorical meaning. If you had "allegory attacks" from cactus then I think you were really into the Southwest, as in "peyote". I think you meant "allergy".

I have to say that I never had allergies and asthma, until Colorado. However, I have here from my youth to now being a senior--perhaps it is just getting old and I would have had it if I grew old in New York.

Livecontent
Yes , that,s a laugh !!....May teach me to proof read a little more !.
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Old 09-20-2011, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Lexington, SC
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Yes , that,s a laugh !!....May teach me to proof read a little more !.
DAR

Enough trying to pump sunshine up peoples butt about where you live.

As I said earlier, no matter what you believe there are some (like me) that say if it snows/is cold there, it would be a hell on wheels (terrible) place for some (like me) to live even if it is heaven to you.

Many of us left places like that.

Let it go.
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Old 09-20-2011, 06:39 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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DAR

Enough trying to pump sunshine up peoples butt about where you live.

As I said earlier, no matter what you believe there are some (like me) that say if it snows/is cold there, it would be a hell on wheels (terrible) place for some (like me) to live even if it is heaven to you.

Many of us left places like that.

Let it go.
You see , or maybe you don't see at all. You won.t come here . even in the summer. right ?.....you do not know what you are talking about. Heat and humidity is worse than cold and snow., any day. I lived in Florida for 5 years. I finally got out/ Many of these hot swamps were not intended for humans in the first place,Give the State back to the Seminoles and a few crackers,, thats the way it used to be.
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Old 09-20-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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You see , or maybe you don't see at all. You won.t come here . even in the summer. right ?.....you do not know what you are talking about. Heat and humidity is worse than cold and snow., any day. I lived in Florida for 5 years. I finally got out/ Many of these hot swamps were not intended for humans in the first place,Give the State back to the Seminoles and a few crackers,, thats the way it used to be.
Why do you elevate what you want and like to the level of truth for everybody else? For you, "Heat and humidity is worse than cold and snow", but some do not agree, otherwise there wouldn't be so many retirees in Florida. Ironically, I am on your side in this and would not ever consider living year-round in Florida, but my personal preferences are not the point. Here is the point: As several other posters have said, you are trying too hard. You have stated your case for Marquette, so why not let go of the compulsive continuations?
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Old 09-20-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Why do you elevate what you want and like to the level of truth for everybody else? For you, "Heat and humidity is worse than cold and snow", but some do not agree, otherwise there wouldn't be so many retirees in Florida. Ironically, I am on your side in this and would not ever consider living year-round in Florida, but my personal preferences are not the point. Here is the point: As several other posters have said, you are trying too hard. You have stated your case for Marquette, so why not let go of the compulsive continuations?
Mostly cause people bring it up. they ask questions, I answer. Whats wrong with a little color and and opinion, sometimes passion.

I try to be honest as I can be. Thats the reason I joined City Data in the first place. My first Hobby has always been geography and places I have lived or visited., every state several times,All of Canada, several times , Mexico , the Islands, Its been fun, Now I want to share what I have learned , these past 50 + years of travel that's all.
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Old 09-20-2011, 07:33 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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O' and by the way when news about the UP comes up I feel the need to report it. Maybe I should start all my posts with a disclaimer, you could be right.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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O' and by the way when news about the UP comes up I feel the need to report it. Maybe I should start all my posts with a disclaimer, you could be right.
Why don't you post it on the Michigan forum where you will have an interested and captive audience?

It is simply futile to try and convince people who are happy in their chosen location for retirement to embrace the notion of retiring to Marquette, MI.

I am sure you realize that Florida is filled with retirees from Michigan. There is some reason they left and more than likely it was to escape the cold. Many people simply do not like cold.
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