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Old 02-02-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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so i have been working hard since the age of five yes five i made 3.30 an hour in the earlyn eighties ---110 dollars a week to support my mom and sister -- i startged a buisiness of my own and worked twenty four seven but the government taxed me didnt pay their promissed bill through childrens home society and forced to get other jobs and close down then worked with DDS adultss lifting cleaning crap and working 9.40 cent an hour went to colllege got BS degree oh look no F-- jobs got my masters oh look still looking for work oh look student loans more taxes and here i am -- no issurance goingh blind PKD cant check one pair of pants one meal a day holding it together looking for can --i am glad you are all blessed with money the rest of us struggling-- **** dont come at me with that **** -- i paid in since 1980 ---- and had sometime three jobs during that time was robbed of many thoufand of dollars identity theft then threatened and robbed again court system said get over it i worked hard for that f-- money and you know still paying money back in wage garninshments why cuz courts want these businesses to recoup their money yes i paying back money someone robbed ferom me they stole my school checks and from there its my bill BS you dont believe me -- lol i went to court sevety times lost all my jobs had a nervous breakdown was threatened by many people to keep my mouth shut---- oh dont think there isnt a reason i want my nenefits the **** wont be there for me and ---- i feel if i can collect 100 a mounth to buy food until i die of cancer or somethin the gov will save millions -- i am the one you rich fers feed off of--signed an american thats forgotten white woman ----- no hopwe
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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if i can collect 100 dollars a month for ten years then you can keep my benefits for the rest of my life --i need help now------wont live to see no 79 or 80 come on we should be able to see 100 dollars a month for ten years -------and sign are rights off to collect anymore =====JBgive me the choice i never applied for gov aide so i havent cost gov nothing give me the chance
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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if i can collect 100 dollars a month for ten years then you can keep my benefits for the rest of my life --i need help now------wont live to see no 79 or 80 come on we should be able to see 100 dollars a month for ten years -------and sign are rights off to collect anymore =====JBgive me the choice i never applied for gov aide so i havent cost gov nothing give me the chance
You take pride in never having "applied for gov aide (sic)" and good for you, but if you are destitute, that's what government aid is for. Why not apply for food stamps? I think I would if I were in your shoes.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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so i have been working hard since the age of five yes five i made 3.30 an hour in the earlyn eighties ---110 dollars a week to support my mom and sister -- i startged a buisiness of my own and worked twenty four seven but the government taxed me didnt pay their promissed bill through childrens home society and forced to get other jobs and close down then worked with DDS adultss lifting cleaning crap and working 9.40 cent an hour went to colllege got BS degree oh look no F-- jobs got my masters oh look still looking for work oh look student loans more taxes and here i am -- no issurance goingh blind PKD cant check one pair of pants one meal a day holding it together looking for can --i am glad you are all blessed with money the rest of us struggling-- **** dont come at me with that **** -- i paid in since 1980 ---- and had sometime three jobs during that time was robbed of many thoufand of dollars identity theft then threatened and robbed again court system said get over it i worked hard for that f-- money and you know still paying money back in wage garninshments why cuz courts want these businesses to recoup their money yes i paying back money someone robbed ferom me they stole my school checks and from there its my bill BS you dont believe me -- lol i went to court sevety times lost all my jobs had a nervous breakdown was threatened by many people to keep my mouth shut---- oh dont think there isnt a reason i want my nenefits the **** wont be there for me and ---- i feel if i can collect 100 a mounth to buy food until i die of cancer or somethin the gov will save millions -- i am the one you rich fers feed off of--signed an american thats forgotten white woman ----- no hopwe
Perhaps you can help me resolve what I see as a contradiction. You say you have a college degree and then a master's degree on top of that, but you have not mastered basic punctuation, spelling, capitalization or proof-reading. Something doesn't seem right to me.

Also, you say you "had" a nervous breakdown. You seem still to be in the middle of one. I would suggest seeking help from some kind of community clinic where you would not have to pay. In Los Angeles, the Union Rescue Mission offers referrals for that sort of thing. Perhaps in the community in which you live there is a similar organization? Best of luck to you.
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Old 02-02-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: pacific northwest
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Also social securty disability is not TAXED; unlike regular social security that is. I have a real problem in this area. Why should someone who is disabled (and believe me I know those who are that are far from disabled), not pay any taxes. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, those that are truly disabled are being lumped into the same category as those who "are they really disabled". I know a guy with a back issue = retired on SS disability = that is able to bend over and do yard work; carry the debris to his truck and unload it at the dump. Disabled - yea right.
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Old 02-02-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Because I subscribed to this thread when I answered about Medicare Advantage I received the latest reply in my email box and went back to take a look. I realized I had never responded to the original question posed by the OP. The answer is "yes" because I did it.

If you look at your SS statements sent to you every year you will see there are two amounts. If you qualify for SSDI, you can get that in lieu of regular SS but you must qualify. In other words, you must be eligible for SSDI by being totally disabled and unable to work. It was actually the lady at the SS office who suggested I do this when I went to apply for regular SS benefits.

You have to go through a medical hearing and all the same procedures for anyone who is not eligible for regular SS benefits. The amount you get is not much more than regular SS benefits. For me it was only about $70.00 per check, For some it can be more for others, less. SS will calculate it. But every little bit helps when you are unable to work.

By now I am sure the OP has his answer but I thought I would come back and respond anyway.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Also social securty disability is not TAXED; unlike regular social security that is. I have a real problem in this area. Why should someone who is disabled (and believe me I know those who are that are far from disabled), not pay any taxes. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, those that are truly disabled are being lumped into the same category as those who "are they really disabled". I know a guy with a back issue = retired on SS disability = that is able to bend over and do yard work; carry the debris to his truck and unload it at the dump. Disabled - yea right.
Rest assured, Social Security Disability benefits are taxed the same as Social Security Retirement benefits.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: pacific northwest
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Lenora:

I wonder why my friends who paid off their home last year, own 2 new vehicles free and clear and he buys boats, fixes them up and sells them never pay any tax. No, they don't have family money or inheritence. They haven't filed federal taxes in years. She doesn't think old people should have to pay tax. Hello, I'm old and I pay tax. Our state does not have a state income tax so no way of IRS even knowing. He is on ssd and get a public pension from law enforcement also. She get SS based on his work record - she never paid into it. They are far from poor. They use to take vacations and cruises all the time. He is mid 70's and has not worked for at least 15 years. Must be nice huh?
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Lenora:

I wonder why my friends who paid off their home last year, own 2 new vehicles free and clear and he buys boats, fixes them up and sells them never pay any tax. No, they don't have family money or inheritance. They haven't filed federal taxes in years. She doesn't think old people should have to pay tax. Hello, I'm old and I pay tax. Our state does not have a state income tax so no way of IRS even knowing. He is on ssd and get a public pension from law enforcement also. She get SS based on his work record - she never paid into it. They are far from poor. They use to take vacations and cruises all the time. He is mid 70's and has not worked for at least 15 years. Must be nice huh?
SSD is terminated when the beneficiary reaches full retirement age, in this case that would be age 65. Thus, your friends are receiving both social security retirement benefits and the law enforcement pension. That's not unusual. I can't speculate as to why they are not filing federal tax returns, that would best be addressed by Curmudgeon (a retired law enforcement officer) or someone equally knowledgeable about retirement and taxes.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Disability benefits convert to retirement benefits when the recipient reaches full retirement age. This may or may not be age 65.
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When a person reaches full Social Security Retirement Age, they are switched from SSDI to Social Security and possibly SSI.
Hooray. They got it right.

Commending....

Mircea

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There is not such thing a s SSDI when you are older than 65. Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) is payable to a disabled person under 65. When you reach 65, and your are receiving SSDI, it is converted to SSRI (Social Security Retirement Insurance).
You got it partially right. SSDI is converted, but at your full-retirement age as they mentioned above.

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You automatically qualify for Medicaid in addition to Medicare if you are disabled under SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance) is you qualify for SSI (Supplemental Security Income). SSI is for those who have low income and minimum resources.
That isn't completely true either.

Everyone on SSDI automatically qualifies for Medicare.

In order to qualify for Medicaid, a person on SSDI must meet the financial criteria. It is possible for someone to be disqualified for Medicaid on the basis that they receive too much in SSDI benefits (and that is also true for those who receive retirement benefits) -- meaning their monthly/annual income is too high.

SSI (and thanks for getting that right) is usually granted when a person receiving SSDI is below a certain income level.

The amount of SSDI one receives is equivalent to the amount one receives if one retired at full-retirement age, based on their annual/month earnings.

Converting....


Mircea

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I just spent a couple of minutes with the Social Security website (www.socialsecurity.com) but did not succeed in finding an answer to your question. I'm sure some poster who is knowledgeable about that specific issue or who had more time to spend on the website will come along and enlighten the rest of us.

However, I sure as hell hope the answer is a resounding NO! It makes me sick to think of people trying to milk the system in the way you described.
Disgusting, isn't it?

In the future if you look again, try searching SSA's web-site using "convert" or "conversion." That's I how I found it a while ago.

Chatting...

Mircea

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And if you don't think this disability thing is a set-up, SS automatically pays your lawyer (which you have to have to get approved) before they send you your check.
I do not profess to understand the SSDI claims process.

I can tell you that a double amputee was denied (but approved on appeal).

I can tell you that quite a few were approved first time through.

The law limits the fees for attorneys.

I can also tell you that a person was denied SSDI, went to an attorney, filed an appeal, and was approved within 30 days -- and that was a shock to both the appellant and the law firm. The law firm refused to collect the full amount to which they were legally entitled, stating that their involvement with the case was extremely limited (they merely completed the appeal forms and filed them).

I've worked with attorneys as a paralegal, private investigator and detective sergeant, and I can tell you that some of them are damn good decent people, but some of them should be taken and shot...immediately.

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My DH filed for SSDI at age 60 or so. He turned 62 before he got a hearing after his case was denied (of course, routine, they just automatically deny it), so he filed for reduced SS benefits because we needed the money coming in. After he finally got a hearing, he was approved for SSDI and received a $600 a month increase in his check plus a check for back payments and Medicare retroactive to when he first filed. So, yes, a person can file for disability that is already receiving SS benefits.
That would be the wrong conclusion.

They can file only if they have not yet reached full-retirement age.

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The answer is "yes" because I did it.

If you look at your SS statements sent to you every year you will see there are two amounts. If you qualify for SSDI, you can get that in lieu of regular SS but you must qualify. In other words, you must be eligible for SSDI by being totally disabled and unable to work. It was actually the lady at the SS office who suggested I do this when I went to apply for regular SS benefits.
That would be also be the wrong conclusion.

You can file for SSDI only if you have not yet reached full-retirement age.

One other thing that should be noted here....in both of the above situations, the SSDI claim was filed before filing for OASI benefits.

I would be interested in knowing how many people filed for OASI, started receiving OASI benefits, and then filed for SSDI and were approved. My intuition says the denial rate would be extremely high, excepting those instances where someone was disabled prior to age 62 and been receiving treatment for it.

I believe those who take early retirement, but continue working, and then become disabled, would also have a greater chance of being approved, as opposed to someone who retired early, got bent out of shape because of the reduced benefits, and then applied to effectively get full benefits.

Concluding...

Mircea

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Both statements are incorrect.
Scary, isn't it?

This is supposed to be the Information Age and all. It's more like the Wrong Information Age.

Stating...


Mircea
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