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Old 10-19-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: California Mountains
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You can't do your laundry at night and you can't do it very well on rainy days or in winter. There's the added fear of slipping on ice or snow in winter. YET they allow this dangerous hardship of making people carry heavy laundry up and down stairs and out to the laundromat in all kinds of weather. If you want a washing machine, you probably need to stay away from subsidized housing.
We've seen (in person and/or on brochures) dozens of subsidized communities in CA and WA, and all of them have laundry facilities on each floor, and all are open 24 hours since they're inside secured buildings. There is no need to put up with foul weather or staircases.

Many buildings have units with W/D hookup, but tenants with their own (or rented from the complex) w&d are required to pay a fee for water usage (owners pay for water in all the states we've resided.)
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:54 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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We've seen (in person and/or on brochures) dozens of subsidized communities in CA and WA, and all of them have laundry facilities on each floor, and all are open 24 hours since they're inside secured buildings. There is no need to put up with foul weather or staircases.

Many buildings have units with W/D hookup, but tenants with their own (or rented from the complex) w&d are required to pay a fee for water usage (owners pay for water in all the states we've resided.)
And that's how it should be. Even at the nicest subsidized housing I've seen in MA there is always the trek outdoors to the laundromat in all kinds of weather.

It's ironic, with all the safety features they require in the apartments--from pull cords to railings, from not being able to put anything in front of a window but they'll allow this. Oh--I've actually seen washers and driers in FAMILY housing in this state!!!!!!!! In their own apartment and for free. These people are young and able bodied and they COULD go to the laundry building on site.
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Old 10-20-2011, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Paradise Lost
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1. I did not create a "meta-forum". "About the Forum" is a long-existing forum that you can find by scrolling all the way down (at the bottom of the "General Forums"). It is not connected to the Retirement Forum.

2. You may have delusions of grandeur but you cannot "lock the thread". Only a moderator can do that, and it is often done despite the wishes of the original poster to keep it open.
1. Ok, a mistake in terminology. (Will I go to hell?)

2. Do I have to spell everything out? "Lock the thread", of course means "request that a moderator lock the thread" as I made clear two sentences prior. Yeah, moderators lock a thread when they need to go in and clean up the rubbish - one reason I'd like to see this thread take the high road and endure minimal littering.

I'm all for returning to the intended topic. We were making some real progress there for a while.

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Old 10-20-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Paradise Lost
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Not clever by half and has nothing to do with your precious subject....

As to the matter at hand, it's good you'll looking into the possibilities now as every report I've seen lately indicates that forclosures are on the rise which could very well lead to more bankruptcies and many others may be on the brink of needing subsidized housing as well....
(Bolding added.)

Exactly. That's why my "precious subject" is, to me at least, deserving of some sober, intelligent consideration and why I resist attempts to muddy the waters.
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Old 10-20-2011, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Paradise Lost
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Default Maybe This Is Obvious But ...

For anyone else exploring the possibility of obtaining senior subsidized housing I'd like to suggest that you go ahead and start requesting applications to be mailed to you. It's one thing to peruse on-line listings and facility web sites and quite another to wade through 30 pages of application forms. It's instructive to know just how many hoops you're going to have to jump through to make it happen. There're "gotchas" galore that you may never have expected but there's also plenty of detailed information that you won't find anywhere else. Doing this has given me an appreciation of all the permutations of the basic HUD programs that arise when states, localities and management companies add their idiosyncratic twists and turns to what is an already complicated subject.

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Old 10-20-2011, 09:47 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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...requesting applications to be mailed to you.
...wade through 30 pages of application forms.
...instructive to know just how many hoops you're going to have to jump through
...There're "gotchas" galore .
As you get exposure to these several sets of forms and from various states or areas and agencies...
are you noticing common themes or even standardized elements to them?

I'm thinking that aside from a few particular details relative to a specific facility
that MOST of the date needed and MOST of the questions used to ferret out that date would be universal...
especially in light of all/most facilities (and managing agencies?) being either directly HUD based
or highly dependent on satisfying the HUD established set of hoops.

Curious.
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Paradise Lost
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As you get exposure to these several sets of forms and from various states or areas and agencies...
are you noticing common themes or even standardized elements to them?
Excellent question. Knowing what is written in stone and what is variable or negotiable is at the heart of this endeavor. Trying to get a feel for what really matters in a particular situation even extends beyond the application forms and comes down to quizzing the rental agents. For instance, there was that project in Detroit that I had my heart set on. In conversation it became clear that they would do a credit check but would only be looking for certain things that directly relate to renting and paying utility bills while all of the application forms I've received so far make plain that they consider creditworthiness next to godliness. But the place that is lenient on the credit check is the one that demands an in-state photo ID before they'll process the application. So is this mandated by the state of Michigan? No. I just got off the phone from talking to an agent elsewhere in Detroit and she agreed that requiring an in-state ID from an out-of-state applicant was just plain weird. And so it goes...

True, there are some HUD forms that are common to the few applications that I've received so far but I haven't yet winnowed them out or determined their significance.

Sorry, but at this stage, my observations are still anecdotal. I need a much larger sample population before I can state with any confidence what is universal and what is not. I have learned, though, that you can't assume anything.
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Old 10-20-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Texas
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just guessing, you have probably already looked at this

Renting - HUD
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Old 10-20-2011, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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I just got off the phone from talking to an agent elsewhere in Detroit and she agreed that requiring an in-state ID from an out-of-state applicant was just plain weird. And so it goes...
What I would like to know is if the requirement is for a driver's license, or for any form of a photo ID. There are many, many seniors who gave up driving and did/do not maintain a driver's license, and many who never drove at all. How could they require only that for an ID? There's got to be some other form they will accept. I have a photo ID for where I teach, and I have one for BJ's (equivalent of Costco) membership. There has to be some way of getting a more official picture ID--anyone know?--for instance, could you get a Costco ID in the state you want to move to, without living there yet? Anything at all besides a driver's license? How about a notarized copy of your passport?
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Old 10-20-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Default Try again?

SelflessGene, If you are still interested in the housing in Detroit, I would call them back. You may have talked to a fill in person who did not know what they were talking about. One who was very disinterested in serving the needs of the applicants. Many people like that out there. In your callback, you may get someone who actually knows what they are talking about. It's worth a shot.

I would think in today's economy there are more & more people with bad credit. Looking for a decent credit score for people seeking subsidized housing might be looking for a needle in a haystack. I am sure they are only looking for people who can and will pay their portion of the rent obligation.
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