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now your talking. mag-safes and glaser safety rounds are perfect for home defense. their wounds are more consistant with shot gun damage. they were invented for sky marshalls but are great rounds for staying within the body. they can pierce wooden barriers but they wont penetrate a coke can once the fluid in the can opens them up.
they are highly effective for transmitting that energy. one warning though ,they dont open reliabily in smaller calibers from what i was taught.
the draw back is they fly very different and anything more than right up close and personal can be a real challenge. at what i remember to be 5 bucks a bullet it isnt easy to get any practice time in with them either to learn how to aim with them.
i have a 20 year old 686 myself. only 6 rounds though, its now my wifes.
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I'll take my Smith & Wesson Model 686 loaded with seven rounds of what I deem an appropriate mix of .357 magnum, Magsafe, frangible and rated the fastest incapacitator, alternating with 125 grain hollowpoints.. My two dogs warn me. They bark at everyone except the garbage man. Good things fall off of his truck.
see you have more knowledge than i thought. i was just surprised you didnt understand the difference between the needs of the good guy and why one shot stops are critical vs anything goes for the bad guy.
now your talking. mag-safes and glaser safety rounds are perfect for home defense. their wounds are more consistant with shot gun damage. they were invented for sky marshalls but are great rounds for staying within the body. they can pierce wooden barriers but they wont penetrate a coke can once the fluid in the body opens them up.
I wouldn't take a chance on that. In the Strasbourg tests they outperformed everything else including Glasers in terms of rapidity of incapacitation. Overpenetration isn't a problem where I live.
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see you have more knowledge than i thought. i was just surprised you didnt understand the difference between the needs of the good guy and why one shot stops are critical vs anything goes for the bad guy.
Well, thanks, I guess.
One shot stops are the ideal but if I have a choice between nothing and a .22 long rifle I'll take the .22. For the citizenry in general, I'd say shoot what's in your comfort zone. A hit with a .22 beats etc. etc. The important thing is to have a gun.
Let's not forget what Julian Hatcher said about the moral effect of a gunshot wound. People have fainted after a minor wound from a .22 short. On the other hand, when Antonio Gaspi tried to escape from a military prison in the Phillipines he absorbed a magazine of .30-40 rounds, low powered guard cartridges but not without stopping power. The guard stopped him with the butt of his rifle.
Sometimes we can't carry our first choice. For my part I've never felt uncomfortable with a North American Arms .22 magnum.
Are you really Evan Marshall? You are one with him in e-mail capitalization.
now your talking. mag-safes and glaser safety rounds are perfect for home defense. their wounds are more consistant with shot gun damage. they were invented for sky marshalls but are great rounds for staying within the body. they can pierce wooden barriers but they wont penetrate a coke can once the fluid in the can opens them up.
they are highly effective for transmitting that energy. one warning though ,they dont open reliabily in smaller calibers from what i was taught.
the draw back is they fly very different and anything more than right up close and personal can be a real challenge. at what i remember to be 5 bucks a bullet it isnt easy to get any practice time in with them either to learn how to aim with them.
i have a 20 year old 686 myself. only 6 rounds though, its now my wifes.
My favorite handgun is a S&W Model 15 Combat Masterpiece 2" that was made in 1970. It's accurate, maneuverable, has a laser sight and is loaded with frangibles for use in home protection - also only six rounds. Back-up rounds are Hornady Critical Defense but you need some distance for them to be fully effective.
My favorite carry gun is a S&W Model 637 Airweight snubbie. For me it's a perfect, point-shoot, belly and pocket gun with which I'm also adept at hip shoots at a reasonable range. I've had the trigger pull adjusted to about 6.5 pounds which is quite comfortable and I've added Pachmeyer grips so there's no longer any slap from the back strap.
In an in-home situation, I'd "man" the Model 15 and my wife the 637 as back-up. Next up, a Walther PK380 for her and a Kimber .45 for me.
now your talking. mag-safes and glaser safety rounds are perfect for home defense.
There have been a few rather disturbing reports of them failing, and failing badly, to penetrate, and only causing minor surface wounds. Usually the problem was the perp wearing heavy outer clothing; a very thick bulky jacket that the round dumped its load in. The newer more modern frangible ammo may be more effective and reliable, but not many field reports to go on.
My favorite handgun is a S&W Model 15 Combat Masterpiece 2" that was made in 1970. It's accurate, maneuverable, has a laser sight and is loaded with frangibles for use in home protection - also only six rounds. Back-up rounds are Hornady Critical Defense but you need some distance for them to be fully effective.
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The projectile doesn't gain velocity after it leaves the barrel; it loses velocity. Only the MBA Gyrojet ammo needs to get up to speed. That's because it's a miniature rocket. Neither the guns nor the ammo have been made in years.
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My favorite carry gun is a S&W Model 637 Airweight snubbie. For me it's a perfect, point-shoot, belly and pocket gun with which I'm also adept at hip shoots at a reasonable range. I've had the trigger pull adjusted to about 6.5 pounds which is quite comfortable and I've added Pachmeyer grips so there's no longer any slap from the back strap.
In the summer I like the Model 638 in my right hand pocket. The draw is snagless and I can shoot single action. Vive le Bodyguard.
Once upon a time Smith often shipped the various Bodyguard models with target triggers, hardly the best for rapid double action work but great for a quick draw and aimed fire.
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