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Old 11-23-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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I can see the advantages for people who no longer drive, but what gripes me is that our system operates seven days a week, which I think is a waste of taxpayer money. People are not going to have doctor or dental appointments on weekends, and they can easily do their grocery shopping Monday through Friday as well if they depend on such a system.
". . . but what gripes me is that our system operates seven days a week, which I think is a waste of taxpayer money. "

We waste taxpayer money on many other things that benefit just a small group of constituents, i.e. the political pork barrel. What we should encourage is for people to drive less and ride public transportation or walk more. I don't see how it could be bad to have discounted public (and even free) transportation available 7 days a week for seniors, and they are not there merely to serve those seniors "who no longer drive." If you have contributed to the system, you deserve it. If you have not, you should feel grateful for such good fortune. I think most people who have never lived in a big urban city are attached to their automobiles like an appendage. If you wait until you can "no longer drive," you may need another mode of transportation.

 
Old 11-23-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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We waste taxpayer money on many other things that benefit just a small group of constituents, i.e. the political pork barrel. What we should encourage is for people to drive less and ride public transportation or walk more. I don't see how it could be bad to have discounted public (and even free) transportation available 7 days a week for seniors, and they are not there merely to serve those seniors "who no longer drive." If you have contributed to the system, you deserve it. If you have not, you should feel grateful for such good fortune. I think most people who have never lived in a big urban city are attached to their automobiles like an appendage. If you wait until you can "no longer drive," you may need another mode of transportation.
Well yes, there is waste in a lot of places, but that is irrelevant because I was talking about the free senior rides - I was not addressing wasteful use of taxpayers money in general. (That would be a hell of a long post, now wouldn't it?)

Here in Los Angeles County seniors do benefit from discounted public transportation, both on the buses and on the subways. Those systems run seven days a week with reduced schedules on weekends and holidays.

I am all for people walking more and using public transportation (as the more people on the buses and subways, the less crowded the roads are when I use my much more convenient and more flexible car), but I see no reason to modify the criticisms I made of the incredibly generous senior ride service in the city where I live.

You have broadened the discussion to include using private automobiles versus using public transportation, but this is not the Urban Planning Forum. However, the senior ride program I described is very expensive to operate, as one driver is picking up a senior at his or her home and taking him or her to the exact destination address, usually one person at a time, although sometimes it might be two or three people. I do not think we all "deserve" this Cadillac door to door transportation service seven days a week just because we have been taxpayers. I find that to be quite a stretch.
 
Old 11-23-2014, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Cochise county, AZ
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I experienced that in Southern Illinois when I stayed at my brother's after my car accident. I was too scared to drive and investigated the service. It was a few dollars to use it if you were not disabled or senior. But, they coordinated the service to pick up a few people, not just one. The van wasn't always full but there were times it was up to capacity. It was a wonderful experience and very much appreciated. The upside was, we started talking and getting to know each other. I really appreciated it.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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You have broadened the discussion to include using private automobiles versus using public transportation, but this is not the Urban Planning Forum. However, the senior ride program I described is very expensive to operate, as one driver is picking up a senior at his or her home and taking him or her to the exact destination address, usually one person at a time, although sometimes it might be two or three people. I do not think we all "deserve" this Cadillac door to door transportation service seven days a week just because we have been taxpayers. I find that to be quite a stretch.
Indeed, it is relevant here in the Retirement forum because not all retirees (and I bet most of the people that do refer to this forum) are not as well off as working people. I also believe that the reason this service you are referring to is not utilized as much by people for whom it was meant to serve is precisely because retirees or seniors in your area probably still depend on their cars to move around and I bet they are retiree couples or two-income households. Try being single and dependent on a fixed income, then you will understand why this would be important.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Cochise county, AZ
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Exactly. It took another 1 1/2 years when I was 61 to be declared disabled. I made in 1/2 paycheck what I am receiving now but I am so grateful & certainly not complaining. We do not have the service where I live now but I sure depended on it when I was at my brothers/
 
Old 11-24-2014, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Indeed, it is relevant here in the Retirement forum because not all retirees (and I bet most of the people that do refer to this forum) are not as well off as working people. I also believe that the reason this service you are referring to is not utilized as much by people for whom it was meant to serve is precisely because retirees or seniors in your area probably still depend on their cars to move around and I bet they are retiree couples or two-income households. Try being single and dependent on a fixed income, then you will understand why this would be important.
Hello???? The people whom it was meant to serve are people who do not have cars! If there were no people who did not have cars, there would be no clientele for the service!
 
Old 11-25-2014, 04:24 PM
 
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Hello???? The people whom it was meant to serve are people who do not have cars! If there were no people who did not have cars, there would be no clientele for the service!
I don't understand the point you are making or what your logic is. Are you talking about service particularly and exclusively for senior people? From what I understand, subsidized senior transport are also open to people who do OWN cars and they take the form of public buses open to all fare-paying public except that seniors are qualified for reduced rates. Is the one in your area open to all or just seniors with no cars? If that service is exclusive, do you have to swear under oath that you do not own a car and are a senior before you are entitled to the free bus service? If the latter, is that 100% funded by your state? I don't know how CA operates with regard to subsidized transport for seniors and I doubt that they have special bus routes exclusively for people with no cars.
 
Old 11-25-2014, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Cochise county, AZ
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On the van that picked me up were many elders and disabled folks. They either couldn't drive or didn't have a car. They did their grocery shopping, went to Dr. appts or to go to work. There was a whole group that went to the Senior Center for daily activities. I enjoyed those folks so much. Once they got to know me, we discussed their day and what they'd done. Everyone shared their experience. It was delightful.
 
Old 11-25-2014, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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I don't understand the point you are making or what your logic is. Are you talking about service particularly and exclusively for senior people? From what I understand, subsidized senior transport are also open to people who do OWN cars and they take the form of public buses open to all fare-paying public except that seniors are qualified for reduced rates. Is the one in your area open to all or just seniors with no cars? If that service is exclusive, do you have to swear under oath that you do not own a car and are a senior before you are entitled to the free bus service? If the latter, is that 100% funded by your state? I don't know how CA operates with regard to subsidized transport for seniors and I doubt that they have special bus routes exclusively for people with no cars.
In terms of Federal handouts, California is no different than other states. It receives a very significant amount of (Section 5310) Federal funding to provide transportation for seniors and the disabled. California, in turn, distributes the funds throughout the State. The Federal "contribution" covers about 80% of the cost. All of the states must follow the federal rules regarding the use of the funds.
 
Old 11-25-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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I don't understand the point you are making or what your logic is. Are you talking about service particularly and exclusively for senior people? From what I understand, subsidized senior transport are also open to people who do OWN cars and they take the form of public buses open to all fare-paying public except that seniors are qualified for reduced rates. Is the one in your area open to all or just seniors with no cars? If that service is exclusive, do you have to swear under oath that you do not own a car and are a senior before you are entitled to the free bus service? If the latter, is that 100% funded by your state? I don't know how CA operates with regard to subsidized transport for seniors and I doubt that they have special bus routes exclusively for people with no cars.
No, they don't question people about whether they own a car! My point is that if a person owns a car AND is capable of driving it safely, then that person would not use the senior ride (van) service. Why would they want to? Why would it even cross their minds to take the senior ride instead of the car?

Now if someone's eyesight is failing (just to use one example), and therefore one doesn't feel comfortable driving, that's an entirely different situation. Or if the car is in the shop and, say, is going to be there two or three days waiting for an ordered part to arrive, and if the car owner is aware of the senior ride service, that would also be an excellent reason to use it.

The senior ride service in my city is free - there is no charge whatsoever to the users. The service is completely separate from public transportation; for one thing it is limited to seniors and the disabled whereas the public bus and subway systems are open to users of all ages. Public transportation operates on designated routes on designated and published schedules, but one has to place an order via telephone to get a senior ride van to come to one's house. That is, the senior ride service has no established "route" because it goes where the rider wants to go.

So the two things are completely different one from the other and they are not operated by the same agencies. That may be why we have been talking past each other, and I do apologize for my part in failing to make things clear.
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