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Old 03-28-2013, 05:59 AM
 
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Is that a fact? You may well be right, but that's not what we've been hearing and reading all these years. Birth control pills, perhaps the biggest world changer ever invented or developed, became available during the 1960's. Thus they were available to even the oldest boomers during their reproductive years. The whole problem with Social Security is supposed to be that the birth rate of the boomers was so low. If that isn't true, then how do you explain that the Soc. Sec. cash flow has finally gone negative, being that the millennials are still in their working years?

Edited to add: I did find this link: Age distribution Tables - Statistics United States
It shows United States population pyramids for various years, including projected (future) years. The pyramid for 2010 shows a population bulge at ages 45 to 54, which would be basically boomers, would it not? (But not including the older boomers, as the birth years would be 1956 to 1965.)

A little off the subject, but it is downright scary to look at the projected pyramid for 2050, which shows a huge bulge in the 80 and over group. Glad I'll be dead by then.

Here's another link which shows essentially the same thing: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-03.pdf
That's why many consider immigration reform to be so critical to the nations future. Not all but some.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:01 AM
 
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Escort Rider and TuborgP since you are talking about populations I thought I would recommend a book to you that I read recently about contracting populations around the world:

What To Expect When No One’s Expecting: America’s Coming Demographic Disaster by Jonathan V Last

In Italy, there are more deaths than births every year. In Japan, people buy more adult diapers than diapers for babies. China’s population will get very old and then rapidly contract. By 2050, one out of every 4 of its citizens will be over the age of 65. The United Nations projects that by the year 2100, Poland will have lost one-quarter of its population. Thirty years ago, Iran’s fertility rate was 6.5. Two generations later it has rapidly declined to 1.88 and it has a youth bulge in its population. In history, studies have linked youth bulges to conflict. Around the world populations are contracting. The US would be on the verge of shrinking, too, if it wasn’t for Hispanic immigrants. But, their fertility patterns become more like the US native population after the first generation of newcomers. Governments around the world have tried some very interesting incentives to get people to have more children but most have been unsuccessful. People just don’t want more kids and the more education they have, the less likely they are to have them. Why should we care? Why did the population implosion happen and how it is remaking culture, the economy, and politics around the world.

What to Expect When No One's Expecting: America's Coming Demographic Disaster: Jonathan V. Last: 9781594036415: Amazon.com: Books
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:55 AM
 
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Escort Rider and TuborgP since you are talking about populations I thought I would recommend a book to you that I read recently about contracting populations around the world:

What To Expect When No One’s Expecting: America’s Coming Demographic Disaster by Jonathan V Last

In Italy, there are more deaths than births every year. In Japan, people buy more adult diapers than diapers for babies. China’s population will get very old and then rapidly contract. By 2050, one out of every 4 of its citizens will be over the age of 65. The United Nations projects that by the year 2100, Poland will have lost one-quarter of its population. Thirty years ago, Iran’s fertility rate was 6.5. Two generations later it has rapidly declined to 1.88 and it has a youth bulge in its population. In history, studies have linked youth bulges to conflict. Around the world populations are contracting. The US would be on the verge of shrinking, too, if it wasn’t for Hispanic immigrants. But, their fertility patterns become more like the US native population after the first generation of newcomers. Governments around the world have tried some very interesting incentives to get people to have more children but most have been unsuccessful. People just don’t want more kids and the more education they have, the less likely they are to have them. Why should we care? Why did the population implosion happen and how it is remaking culture, the economy, and politics around the world.

What to Expect When No One's Expecting: America's Coming Demographic Disaster: Jonathan V. Last: 9781594036415: Amazon.com: Books
A very excellent topic that I am familiar with and one that could be discussed for hours in the appropriate format. Unfortunately public forums aren't that place. The growth is in developing nations and that is a old term that is perhaps more confusing today to the issue. I say that because what were once developing markets are now developed and there are old developed and newly developed countries with different markets. It is at topic that has more grounds for discussion of the problem than solutions. Your link post is exceptionally well written in capturing the essence of the topic/problem. Reminds me of my old neighborhood and friends. Having more than two kids was like just not seen. However in lower income areas it was common. It is interesting that my new neighborhood has mostly families with two or fewer kids but there are some families with three. It is interesting to go out shopping and see moms with groups of kids that are five or six and under age twelve or so. I love hearing well educated professional folks with very solid incomes talking about how they can't afford more than two kids and others who have four or more never discussing the fact that their financial problems are from having to many kids. Yes I have had ample opportunity to have the discussions.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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What no one talks about is the fact that boomers are not the largest generation, that is the Millennial generation, those born between 82 and 95 or so, Boomer Kids.

That generation hopefully has to work, buy homes, cars, raise kids, pay taxes, etc..

And very soon, that generation will be making the decisions and then everything will change.
At present that generation has high unemployment and pathetic income growth. Doubt they will have many kids, which is the real indicator of future worker numbers. The oldest Millies are already in their early 30s. They are not going to save the day here.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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At present that generation has high unemployment and pathetic income growth. Doubt they will have many kids, which is the real indicator of future worker numbers. The oldest Millies are already in their early 30s. They are not going to save the day here.
You may very well be correct on that. It will be interesting to see where their interests lie when they become more involved in politics, etc. I think they tend to be more pragmatic than altruistic, at least my son and his friends all seem to be.
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