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Old 04-17-2013, 06:26 PM
 
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Perhaps the problem is that we don't have a retirement SYSTEM but instead have a series of issues and independent programs trying to address them at best. Much of the discussion in this thread has focused on health care and it is very appropriate that it does. I can't help shake how at one point that was considered off topic when in fact it is core to the retirement income topic. Fortunately since I was the OP I could say that and the discussion could move forward. Perhaps our leaders at the state and federal level need to link their discussions on those topics and actually begin to systematically discuss how to solve our looming retirement crisis.

 
Old 04-17-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Edina, MN, USA
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Perhaps the problem is that we don't have a retirement SYSTEM but instead have a series of issues and independent programs trying to address them at best. Much of the discussion in this thread has focused on health care and it is very appropriate that it does. I can't help shake how at one point that was considered off topic when in fact it is core to the retirement income topic. Fortunately since I was the OP I could say that and the discussion could move forward. Perhaps our leaders at the state and federal level need to link their discussions on those topics and actually begin to systematically discuss how to solve our looming retirement crisis.
Maybe they should start reading & posting on CD.
 
Old 04-17-2013, 06:56 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Perhaps the problem is that we don't have a retirement SYSTEM but instead
have a series of issues and independent programs trying to address them at best.
That conflict describes the fundamental problem with EVERY aspect of planning and governance
in the US since the middle of the 19th century. The 18th century political compromise that foisted
"states rights" on the whole of us has done more than enough damage. End it!
 
Old 04-17-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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That conflict describes the fundamental problem with EVERY aspect of planning and governance
in the US since the middle of the 19th century. The 18th century political compromise that foisted
"states rights" on the whole of us has done more than enough damage. End it!
The differences in state and local policies across states along with funding differences is certainly core to the notion of what is the basic level of support folks should receive in the their retirement years.
 
Old 04-17-2013, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Wherever I happen to be at the moment
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The differences in state and local policies across states along with funding differences is certainly core to the notion of what is the basic level of support folks should receive in the their retirement years.
Should receive? None! May receive? Some - contingent upon fund participation and largesse.
 
Old 04-17-2013, 07:19 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Should receive? None! May receive?
Some - contingent upon fund participation and largesse.
The point is about having 50 separate state agencies on EVERY issue each with their own agenda
and their own set of laws *compounded* by the thousands of separate Counties and Cities all of
whom genuinely believe they know the one true path and insist on having a say.

On most issues the differences are minor.
Where they aren't minor the ensuing rhetoric creates even more issues.
We need a better way to administer than what we have inherited.
 
Old 04-17-2013, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Wherever I happen to be at the moment
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The point is about having 50 separate state agencies on EVERY issue each with their own agenda
and their own set of laws *compounded* by the thousands of separate Counties and Cities all of
whom genuinely believe they know the one true path and insist on having a say.

On most issues the differences are minor.
Where they aren't minor the ensuing rhetoric creates even more issues.
We need a better way to administer than what we have inherited.
Agreed!
 
Old 04-17-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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The point is about having 50 separate state agencies on EVERY issue each with their own agenda
and their own set of laws *compounded* by the thousands of separate Counties and Cities all of
whom genuinely believe they know the one true path and insist on having a say.

On most issues the differences are minor.
Where they aren't minor the ensuing rhetoric creates even more issues.
We need a better way to administer than what we have inherited.
As we move forward the differences in how Medicaid is administered in regards to seniors could become enormous as states contain costs and seniors compete with low income folks for decreasing dollars or in some states perhaps not decreasing resources. I am thinking mostly of assisted living/nursing home care.
 
Old 04-17-2013, 07:37 PM
 
Location: southern california
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only thru subcontracting instead of direct hire. time to stop subcontracting just the little guy. clerks and janitors are not the ones killing us. police, firemen, teachers need to all be kelly girl.
 
Old 04-17-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Close to Mexico
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only thru subcontracting instead of direct hire. time to stop subcontracting just the little guy. clerks and janitors are not the ones killing us. police, firemen, teachers need to all be kelly girl.
Yeah...I want my police, fire and teachers to be completely incompetent and lacking in motivation....
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