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Old 08-03-2013, 10:56 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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Did they have better tasting stuff for the pre-op?
Gatrorade, with tasteless "additive."
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Old 08-03-2013, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Barrio Logan/Shelltown
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I know zero about you - but the recommended interval for middle aged or older people without risk factors is 10 years (until you're very old - like 80-85+ - at which point the possible complications of the procedure are thought to outweigh the benefits).

"No problems" means nothing when it comes to colon cancer. Unlike something pedestrian/no big deal health wise like hemorrhoids (where there's often discomfort/pain/bleeding) - it is a "silent disease" with no symptoms until it's pretty bad.

Also - if you're on most flavors of Medicare - the procedure is basically free.

So why just not go by the book? - every 10 years - keeping in mind that colon cancer screening can help you avoid dying a really ugly death (which is what my late mother went through). Robyn
I'm currently not on Medicare, I have county insurance. That means that everything takes forever to get done. They already screwed me over by sending all of my insurance paperwork to the wrong address, which delayed me getting the medical care that I needed for three months. After I went to the low income clinic to see a doctor to refer me to a specialist, that was another month of waiting. I finally had the endoscopy on July 30, and the process was started and approved in March.

A colonoscopy isn't in the picture right now, but taking care of my hiatal hernia with the erosive esophagitis is. After all of my esophageal problems are resolved, then I may have one, and it wouldn't be until next year.
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Old 08-03-2013, 11:04 PM
 
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Did they have better tasting stuff for the pre-op?
No, it was absolutely horrible. Worst stuff I ever put in my mouth for a couple of reasons. Besides the horrible taste, it turned out that it could cause kidney damage and has since been taken off the market.
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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No, I just didn't want to get into the TMI category. But I have no qualms about discussing my specific circumstances if anyone's interested and will happily answer any questions you may have.
So what happened? Was Crohn's disease (or similar) the thing that started all of it?

I started this thread because I think there can't be too much information (TMI) about this topic. Not when people are still asking whether the pre-procedure liquids you have to ingest are as tasty as ice cream sodas . Robyn
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Old 08-04-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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People have died from pretty much every drug, vaccine, minor procedure, etc. out there. What a rational person must do is weigh the risks of the drug/vaccine/procedure against the risk of what could happen by going without. IOW, are you willing to take a 1:1000 risk that something could go wrong with a colonoscopy, or do you want to forego it and hope that you're not the 1:17 that will develop colon cancer?

Let's see, do you want to be one of the 6 people out of 100 who will get colon cancer or do you want to try to prevent it by undergoing a procedure that only has a 1000:1 chance of causing problems?
. Robyn
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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I'm currently not on Medicare, I have county insurance. That means that everything takes forever to get done. They already screwed me over by sending all of my insurance paperwork to the wrong address, which delayed me getting the medical care that I needed for three months. After I went to the low income clinic to see a doctor to refer me to a specialist, that was another month of waiting. I finally had the endoscopy on July 30, and the process was started and approved in March.

A colonoscopy isn't in the picture right now, but taking care of my hiatal hernia with the erosive esophagitis is. After all of my esophageal problems are resolved, then I may have one, and it wouldn't be until next year.
When you say "county insurance" - are you talking about Medicaid?

FWIW - I've always had decent insurance - but my GI doc has always had a decent practice . He's usually booked in advance for 2-3 months (with some slots left for emergencies). Robyn
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: it depends
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People have died from pretty much every drug, vaccine, minor procedure, etc. out there. What a rational person must do is weigh the risks of the drug/vaccine/procedure against the risk of what could happen by going without. IOW, are you willing to take a 1:1000 risk that something could go wrong with a colonoscopy, or do you want to forego it and hope that you're not the 1:17 that will develop colon cancer?

Let's see, do you want to be one of the 6 people out of 100 who will get colon cancer or do you want to try to prevent it by undergoing a procedure that only has a 1000:1 chance of causing problems?
No you see: is the colonoscopy racket really any different than the prostate racket, which has clearly inflicted pain, suffering, loss of life and loss of quality of life far in excess of benefits derived? Direct negative effects of surgery and radiation, plus false positives, plus overtreatment--defined as taking care of things that were not problems.

I don't know where you get the 1/1000 ratio of problems. It doesn't match with the numbers of people I know.

I wouldn't clean out all the important biofauna from my intestines for this or any other unnecessary test.

Might I someday die? Yes I will, and you will too. I raised my kids, I provided for my family, and I have a lot greater fear of rotting away in a nursing home than I do of colon cancer.
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:34 PM
 
Location: California
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Had one when I turned 50 because my Dr said insurance would pay for it. I also had an endoscopy. I'd been diagnosed with GERD and a hiatal hernia years before but was having big problems with food getting stuck and esophageal spasms so I figured it was time to see what was what. They didn't find any pre-cancer or big bads, but I was prescribed Verapamil which knocked out the spasms immediately and when I had some other problems a couple years later we had the colonoscopy to look back on and rule out certain things, ended up being endometriosis. I'll have another colonoscopy when I'm 60 I guess.
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Ponte Vedra Beach FL
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No you see: is the colonoscopy racket really any different than the prostate racket, which has clearly inflicted pain, suffering, loss of life and loss of quality of life far in excess of benefits derived? Direct negative effects of surgery and radiation, plus false positives, plus overtreatment--defined as taking care of things that were not problems.

I don't know where you get the 1/1000 ratio of problems. It doesn't match with the numbers of people I know.

I wouldn't clean out all the important biofauna from my intestines for this or any other unnecessary test.

Might I someday die? Yes I will, and you will too. I raised my kids, I provided for my family, and I have a lot greater fear of rotting away in a nursing home than I do of colon cancer.
I think you're mixing up 2 very different cancers - colon and prostate. It is not my goal here to educate anyone about current medical thinking - so talk to your doctor about this. I can assure you that the thinking about prostate and colon cancer is - in many cases - very different. Also - there is a lot of different thinking when it comes to prostate cancer - and men's ages. Issues that deal with detection - therapy - etc. With prostate cancer - age makes a big difference - like if you're diagnosed at age 35 - or age 75. With colon cancer - those age differences don't matter at all (although diagnosis at later ages - like 85 or 95 - might make a difference when it comes to colon cancer).

FWIW - my late FIL died in an excellent nursing home - and had a peaceful relatively pain free end after going through a lot of medical problems and a terminal stroke (he only needed morphine for the last 48 hours of his life - when his breathing started to shut down). My late mother had an absolutely horrific end from colon cancer - one that lasted for almost a year. I'll be graphic about it. She had to have some apparatus surgically inserted in her anus to keep her GI tract "patent" (by the time she was diagnosed - she was too far gone to have the affected parts of her colon removed - and the cancer was closing up her GI tract). The apparatus itself left her in constant pain - even with painkillers. And - at the end of it - the cancer perforated her colon - and she bled to death. Not very quickly either. In all honesty - if my brother the doctor hadn't been present then - I don't know what the rest of us family members would have done.

You can to some extent pick how you want to die. Like I've told my doctors - the worst death ever in my family was my mother's - and I don't want to die like that. Robyn
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Old 08-04-2013, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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So what happened? Was Crohn's disease (or similar) the thing that started all of it?

I started this thread because I think there can't be too much information (TMI) about this topic. Not when people are still asking whether the pre-procedure liquids you have to ingest are as tasty as ice cream sodas . Robyn
I do agree that my question re the gallon of liquid one has to drink before the procedure was kinda trivial.

Most everyone knows of the importance of this test. And the procedure itself certainly isn't that much in the scope of things.

However, the biggest complaint (by far) that I've read and heard about are the pre-op liquids and taste, not the procedure itself. One would think that a better pre-op methodology would have been developed after all this time. Many, many undergoing the test have expressed that thought.
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