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Old 05-21-2014, 08:02 PM
 
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I know many people who are 'marginally employed'. A contract for a distributor to stock shelves in one store for 10hours/week. A part-time minimum-wage job, and a seasonal job. When it is all totaled they less than fulltime minimum-wage.

These people are commonly working 40 to 60 hours a week.

But their take-home is less than if they were earning minimum-wage.
Good point.
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Good point.
I stocked shelves in a grocery store for about 8 months. While there I got to know a lot of other stockers.

One stocker also sells jewelry on the weekends, and stocks 3 grocery stores.

We have a close friend who stocks in a grocery, a Best Buy, and she sells fresh produce at a Farmer's Market.

Any of these people would earn a higher level of income if they worked for minimum-wage full-time. And they would work less hours.

Fortunately there are places where the living wage is a lot less than minimum-wage.
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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Not true. Food service workers, i.e. waitresses/waiters make 2 dollars an hour or less if they get tips in many states. And I guarantee most of them have nothing in the way of benefits.
Arizona food servers made $2.17 hour for many years but about six years ago it went up to $4.85 hour. The chains...Denny's, etc...DO offer some bennies. They offer their employees medical insurance and it used to be about $90 mo.. Don't know what it is now. They also get paid vacations...one week after one year, two weeks after two years, etc.. Food servers can make some really good money depending on where they work and what type of server they are.
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Old 05-23-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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I stocked shelves in a grocery store for about 8 months. While there I got to know a lot of other stockers.

One stocker also sells jewelry on the weekends, and stocks 3 grocery stores.

We have a close friend who stocks in a grocery, a Best Buy, and she sells fresh produce at a Farmer's Market.

Any of these people would earn a higher level of income if they worked for minimum-wage full-time. And they would work less hours.

Fortunately there are places where the living wage is a lot less than minimum-wage.
You would be surprised to know how many people making $60-100k are also working part-time 2nd jobs or running a part time business. Here in my group, one is selling collectibles on E-Bay, another has a side business doing websites, another sells vintage clothing online, another does consulting. I have a business that I do on weekends and some evenings, my wife has two additional part-time jobs. We will both get pensions but probably less than half of what are primary jobs pay now, so we are trying to increase our savings and establish some additional income streams for when we retire.
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Old 05-23-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Submariner View Post
I stocked shelves in a grocery store for about 8 months. While there I got to know a lot of other stockers.

One stocker also sells jewelry on the weekends, and stocks 3 grocery stores.

We have a close friend who stocks in a grocery, a Best Buy, and she sells fresh produce at a Farmer's Market.

Any of these people would earn a higher level of income if they worked for minimum-wage full-time. And they would work less hours.

Fortunately there are places where the living wage is a lot less than minimum-wage.
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You would be surprised to know how many people making $60-100k are also working part-time 2nd jobs or running a part time business. Here in my group, one is selling collectibles on E-Bay, another has a side business doing websites, another sells vintage clothing online, another does consulting. I have a business that I do on weekends and some evenings, my wife has two additional part-time jobs. We will both get pensions but probably less than half of what are primary jobs pay now, so we are trying to increase our savings and establish some additional income streams for when we retire.

I quoted both of you as those are ideas that are very common. It is important that people come up with ideas like that. If not then a low waged employee cannot possibly even consider retirement at any age. But we all know that some people are much more motivated then others.
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Old 05-23-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I quoted both of you as those are ideas that are very common. It is important that people come up with ideas like that. If not then a low waged employee cannot possibly even consider retirement at any age. But we all know that some people are much more motivated then others.
Home ownership, with no debt, in a low COL / low tax area, does allow for low income people to live on their SS and disability incomes.
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Old 05-23-2014, 09:16 AM
 
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As I see it, another option besides working a second job for low wage earners is to be frugal. When I was younger and before health issues prevented it, I heated my home with wood, had a large garden of which I canned and froze enough to make it thru the winter, did most all home maintenance and repair myself(painting, tiling etc) . Vacation were often used to do home projects or camping and hiking.

I still do many of those things like hanging up washing, repairing clothing rather than throwing and buying new, shopping at thrift stores, cooking from scratch etc. The after work hours spent on those things easily added up to a part time job, but they imho were more focused on my home and my needs. My observation which might not be true for all is that people who have second jobs selling jewelry or whatever, and even those who stock shelves tend to want the very thing they are dealing with and end up spending all of their extra money on that item(like jewelry).
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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I quoted both of you as those are ideas that are very common. It is important that people come up with ideas like that. If not then a low waged employee cannot possibly even consider retirement at any age. But we all know that some people are much more motivated then others.
The guy that mows my lawn is in his sixties. He has told me that he knows he can never retire. Like many low incomer earners, he does not have the aptitude to do any work other than manual labor. He rents a room for about $400/month and has enough money left over to pay for food and a telephone line. Fortunately, he is content.
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:26 AM
 
Location: middle tennessee
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I have been thinking about buying a riding mower. I miss mowing and I could make some cash without leaving the neighborhood.
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Old 05-24-2014, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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As I see it, another option besides working a second job for low wage earners is to be frugal. When I was younger and before health issues prevented it, I heated my home with wood, had a large garden of which I canned and froze enough to make it thru the winter, did most all home maintenance and repair myself(painting, tiling etc) . Vacation were often used to do home projects or camping and hiking.

I still do many of those things like hanging up washing, repairing clothing rather than throwing and buying new, shopping at thrift stores, cooking from scratch etc. The after work hours spent on those things easily added up to a part time job, but they imho were more focused on my home and my needs.
Me too. I see too many people spending money on smart phones, high-end cable TV plans (hopper, DVR), $5 cups of coffee, eating out, etc.
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