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Old 04-20-2014, 07:12 PM
 
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I think this is a correlation based upon a limited sample.

I think it is genes / lifestyle that are the primary predictors of longevity, not state of mind.
Nope. Per the book The Longevity Project that I mentioned earlier, it's based on an 80 year longitudinal study. I think it was 1500 people who were studied over 80 years.

True story:

I have a friend who, about 7 years ago, got tired of being broke and feeling like she was going nowhere (at work and in her intimate relationships or lack thereof) even though she lived at home with her parents at age 34.

Since I'm a money freak, she came to me asking for help with her money. I had her write down her spending down to the penny for a month. Once she saw with her own eyes where she was blowing money, I didn't need to tell her where to cut back. She started paying down debt and putting more $$ in her 401K. I helped her with savings goals, & choosing a fund for her newly established Roth IRA. We met on a monthly or quarterly basis to keep her on track. She did slip up at times, especially with the credit card spending, but she still did better than before.

After about a year of working on her money, she decided she needed to do a 12 step program--Overeaters Anonymous. She lost 60 lbs in about 10 months and has kept it off for over 5 years now. She also went back to college to get her bachelor's degree, took the lead in other 12 step programs, did volunteer work, and would go running almost every day as well. She had no trouble attracting guys after she lost the weight.

She's now working teaching English in Thailand & doing well. She has a semi-serious boyfriend here in the states and I think they will probably get more serious when she gets back.

Psychologists are finding out that my friend is Exhibit A on how habits work....When you improve one habit, it has a cascading effect on a bunch of other habits. Good and bad habits tend to cluster.

Here's a good article on the subject:

https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/c...-be-cultivated

The gist of it is that people with good habits aren't strong in willpower. They tend to be able avoid problematic situations and not get into them in the first place.

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Old 04-20-2014, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Waterville
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I agree with everything you said up to this point...The thing is WE DO have some control over our biochemistry. Things like meditation, prayer, and yoga have a major effect on our brains, especially when done regularly.

www.revolutionofspirit.com
I don't know about the prayer, but I do agree that there are many things we can do to increase our general well-being. We are not complete prisoners of our biochemistry, nor of nurture; the human will can effect transformation, and the behaviors we conscientiously initiate have their influence on our brain chemistry - it is not a one-way street. Our opinions are not so far apart.
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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Thanks. I was hoping someone would come up with the study I found alluded to in the book by Hertenstein.

Edited to add: I read the New York Times article you linked and it is very good. It does a good job of getting at some of the nuances and complexities of the matter within the space limitations of a newspaper article. Indeed, I am motivated to read the book.
Oh, I see NewtoCA beat me to it!
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:45 PM
 
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I'd love to contribute to this fascinating thread, but I am stuck back with the guy who ate exactly 6 Pringles every day.


6.



I'm sorry.... I just can't get past it.

I'm going to bed, now.
I thought the same. I avoid potato chips altogether. They are too fattening, and I always eat the whole bag--or, in the case of Pringles, the can. There's no way I can eat just 6. But per the link in my previous post, that's what conscientious people normally do best---They avoid putting themselves in tempting situations in the first place.
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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I don't know about the prayer, but I do agree that there are many things we can do to increase our general well-being. We are not complete prisoners of our biochemistry, nor of nurture; the human will can effect transformation, and the behaviors we conscientiously initiate have their influence on our brain chemistry - it is not a one-way street. Our opinions are not so far apart.
Larry Dossey, a medical doctor, wrote a good book on prayer back in the 1990s called Healing Words. He found a lot of studies on the positive effects on prayer had been suppressed, probably because they didn't fit with mainstream scientific thinking.

Healing Words: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of Medicine: Larry Dossey: 9780062502520: Amazon.com: Books

But even if you are an atheist who doesn't believe in God or prayer, there's plenty of other evidence from fields like cognitive therapy, yoga, meditation, etc. So I'm glad to hear we mostly agree .
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:19 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Yikes!

I think I'm gonna kick the bucket any day now.
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Sinkholeville
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Yikes!

I think I'm gonna kick the bucket any day now.
Yeah, if you can ever find your bucket.

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Old 04-20-2014, 10:13 PM
 
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Studies; studies; studies with so many opinions often written to sell books mostly. .While I personally agree letting go to a belief can lower stress; so can other things.
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:17 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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I've read that Supreme Court justices live longer on average than people in any other occupation.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa?
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Interesting study. I wonder if conscientious people engage in less risk-taking behavior.
Along that line, I would think that pessimists would have a longer life than optimists. A pessimist will always be thinking about what could go wrong and then be ready to take whatever action is necessary to avoid getting into trouble in the first place. The best planning committee should have an equal balance of pessimists and optimists.
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