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Old 05-03-2014, 11:08 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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livecontent's post in our gun discussion on what he has been advised to carry prompted me to start this thread. Older people should always have not only necessary medications but certain tools as well.

We've had several productive discussions regarding both carrying guns and carrying emergency or survival supplies in vehicles. It seems reasonable now to discuss what we should have on our persons at all times to make our lives safe and with as little inconvenience as possible. "EDC" simply means everyday carry; it's what you have in your pockets or securely attached to your clothing or body. This applies to women as well as men because purses can be lost or stolen. A vehicle is, of course, ideal for carrying necessities and conveniences, but we're not always with our vehicles. The question is what should we carry at all times. I'm not going to bother with wallets, keys, credit cards etc. Everyone carries these items; they require no comment.

I decided years ago that I would never dress around my gun. T-shirts and sport shirts hanging out are simply unacceptable to me; a gentleman does not wear a T-shirt or leave his shirt untucked anytime. I don't always wish to wear a jacket; reversed fanny packs are a dead give-away. But about twenty-five years ago made a very fortunate discovery. I was at a yard sale and saw three small pouches with both belt loops and carrying straps; I bought all three for a dollar. My initial thought was that they would be handy for carrying small items when hiking. Indeed they were, but their use was not limited to hiking. I found that one of the pouches worn on the belt is just the right size to hold a medium to large auto pistol without exciting any interest. There's an interior pocket which can hold extra magazines and other small items. Since there's a gun inside, however, these shouldn't be necessary items that may be needed in a publc place. This particular belt pack seems most useful when serving this dedicated function.

But what about other worthwhile items to carry. Every older person should carry aspirin to take immediately in the event of heart attack or stroke. Many health conditions require carrying specific medications. Then we have antiseptic wipes and first aid material. A medical alert necklace should present no problems; anyone who's alive has a neck. It can even share the neck with a knife or light gun suspended in a neck scabbard.

A keychain doesn't just work for keys. Mine sports a tiny Spyderco knife as well as two LRI flashlights, one red and one white. I keep the red between my two electronic door keys so I know which is which; I use the red when I can't disturb my night vision. The white LRI is brighter than my cell phone light and far more durable.

I'll describe now what I carry and how I do it; I hope you'll comment and share your methods. First, here's my list:

keys, change (which I rarely need), Chapstick, and fairly complete SAK (Swiss Army Knife) I keep these items loose in my left side pocket.

Smith & Wesson Model 638 This fits perfectly in my right side pocket. I generally restrict carrying the belt pouch I described to large cities, particularly those where I can't legally carry a gun. In that case, my Smith is either my primary or secondary BUG (backup gun). In chilly or cold weather I carry a Smith Model 649 in my right jacket pocket. It is just a touch larger than the other but has a stainless steel rather than an aluminum frame and is chambered for .357 magnum rather than .38 special.

If I'm wearing a jacket I carry my wallet in the left side pocket. Otherwise, I carry it in my left hip pocket when on foot or my center console when driving.

But there are other items I need. I carry bear spray when hiking but this thread is about urban kits. Backcountry kit discussions could fill hundreds of threads.

illuminated 5x magnifier
5-20x magnifier
30x illuminated magnifier
cell phone: small flip type
Kindle Paperwhite
Bic lighter (I don't smoke, however)
Zippo lighter fuel in small container (marvellous solvent)
extra ammo
needle nose pliers
duct tape

I've been replacing my regular chinos with cargo pants. LL Bean even makes some rather dressy examples. I use Maxpedition pocket organizers and small packs that are both Molle compatible and can be fitted with belt loops. Thet also fit well into lower cargo pants pockets. That's where I keep spare ammo as well.

Empty Altoids tins make fine little containers for pills, needles, wire etc.

Now, let's hear how you do it. What do you carry and how do you carry it? Let's make the unsafe world a bit less so during our twilight years.

I'm supplying a few links; follow the internal amazon links as well. youtube has a plethora of useful videos. Just search for Maxpedition and go from there.

MOLLE Pack and Pouches

Amazon.com: Maxpedition Anemone Compact Utility Pouch (OD Green): Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com: Maxpedition 3-Inch TacTile - Pack Of 4 (Green): Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com: LRI PWK Photon II LED Keychain Micro-Light, White Beam: Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com: Zippo Fuel Canister: Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com: Rite In The Rain 3X5 Kit - Tan #935T-KIT: Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com: Build the Perfect Survival Kit: Custom Kits for Adventure, Sport, Travel eBook: John Mccann: Kindle Store
And paranoia rules supreme! I find it gratifying that most of us seasoned adults have outgrown it but for that minority that cleaves to the "Prepper" threads. It's so nice to go gently in to our retirement years.
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Old 05-03-2014, 02:38 PM
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illuminated 5x magnifier
5-20x magnifier
30x illuminated magnifier
"But why do we need such a range of magnifying glasses?", one of the productive posters on this thread queried via DM.

The answer is that you probably don't. EDC has few if any universal requirements. I can't imagine not having a pocket knife or a cell phone, but the items we need are what we carry. I'm always on the lookout for coins and medals. I frequently have occasion to examine proof marks and hallmarks as well as a variety of other small symbols. On the other hand, I never carry a flash drive and can't imagine how I'd use it.

Build your EDC for yourself; our need aren't the same.

I added a Starrett stright edge to my EDC today. It's only 6" but that should be more than adequate. I can measure with my SAK but this is better. It's nice to have a standard of straightness as well. I didn't weigh it, but it doesn't way much.
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Old 05-03-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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"But why do we need such a range of magnifying glasses?", one of the productive posters on this thread queried via DM.

The answer is that you probably don't. EDC has few if any universal requirements. I can't imagine not having a pocket knife or a cell phone, but the items we need are what we carry. I'm always on the lookout for coins and medals. I frequently have occasion to examine proof marks and hallmarks as well as a variety of other small symbols. On the other hand, I never carry a flash drive and can't imagine how I'd use it.

Build your EDC for yourself; our need aren't the same.

I added a Starrett stright edge to my EDC today. It's only 6" but that should be more than adequate. I can measure with my SAK but this is better. It's nice to have a standard of straightness as well. I didn't weigh it, but it doesn't way much.
Well, you mentioned chap stick but not chopsticks. Back in the days of C-rations, a pair of Japanese children's hashi purchased in Yokohama in 1956 (I still have them) fit well in an ammo pouch along with other handy things to enhance field dining and living like extra toilet paper packets, hot sauce, garlic powder, etc. Helped with LRRPs as well. I mean, you can never be too prepared, ya know, especially when it comes to fine dining in the field. Admittedly I eschewed the accoutrements in garrison.
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:07 PM
 
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"But why do we need such a range of magnifying glasses?", one of the productive posters on this thread queried via DM.

The answer is that you probably don't. EDC has few if any universal requirements. I can't imagine not having a pocket knife or a cell phone, but the items we need are what we carry. I'm always on the lookout for coins and medals. I frequently have occasion to examine proof marks and hallmarks as well as a variety of other small symbols. On the other hand, I never carry a flash drive and can't imagine how I'd use it.
I carry a jeweler's loupe for coins, hallmarks and for my other habit of collecting a piece of nice jewelry from every place that I travel to! It is very tiny and though I've never tried, it would probably be a great firestarter.
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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And paranoia rules supreme! I find it gratifying that most of us seasoned adults have outgrown it but for that minority that cleaves to the "Prepper" threads. It's so nice to go gently in to our retirement years.
Like you, I am much more relaxed than the OP about being well-prepared wherever I go, although I do have a small earthquake kit in my car, being that I live in Southern California and all.

However, having said that, I think a little paranoia regarding preparedness is one of the more benign and harmless obsessions that people can be prone to. The time spend thinking about being prepared and actually gathering the items would be replaced by time spent doing what, exactly (especially when we are retired)?

Please note that I am not signing onto the more extreme expressions of paranoia and preparedness which we sometimes read in the "prepper" thread here on City-Data. Some of those people make the present OP look like the mildest case imaginable.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:01 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Like you, I am much more relaxed than the OP about being well-prepared wherever I go, although I do have a small earthquake kit in my car, being that I live in Southern California and all.

However, having said that, I think a little paranoia regarding preparedness is one of the more benign and harmless obsessions that people can be prone to. The time spend thinking about being prepared and actually gathering the items would be replaced by time spent doing what, exactly (especially when we are retired)?

Please note that I am not signing onto the more extreme expressions of paranoia and preparedness which we sometimes read in the "prepper" thread here on City-Data. Some of those people make the present OP look like the mildest case imaginable.
I agree and we have two emergency "kits" handily available since we live in Tornado Alley - one inside I can grab at a moment's notice and one in the car. Both contain firearms. We also have a NOAA weather radio with a loud signal that will wake us up at night and announcements that alerts us to severe thunderstorms and tornadoes - I didn't think tsunami, brushfire, iceberg, flood or earthquake warnings were real necessary here so I turned them off.
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Old 05-03-2014, 09:00 PM
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I agree and we have two emergency "kits" handily available since we live in Tornado Alley - one inside I can grab at a moment's notice and one in the car. Both contain firearms. We also have a NOAA weather radio with a loud signal that will wake us up at night and announcements that alerts us to severe thunderstorms and tornadoes - I didn't think tsunami, brushfire, iceberg, flood or earthquake warnings were real necessary here so I turned them off.
You don't live far from the New Madrid fault. The last major earthquake there was in 1812, but it was a doozy. The ground vibrations rang church bells in Boston. It's not likely to happen, but even if you received nationwide warnings your sleep would rarely be disturbed.
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Old 05-03-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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You don't live far from the New Madrid fault. The last major earthquake there was in 1812, but it was a doozy. The ground vibrations rang church bells in Boston. It's not likely to happen, but even if you received nationwide warnings your sleep would rarely be disturbed.
It's fascinating to visit New Madrid. We did consider that but all projections say we'll feel it but it will have no major impact here in the very SW MO Ozarks. Still, stranger things have been known to happen (experienced a number of good ones in CA) so perhaps I'd be well advised to set that warning too. Of course, by the time NOAA sends the warning the quake will be over with and we'll be dealing with aftershocks.

What kind of interesting things happen in Wyoming?
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Old 05-04-2014, 12:49 AM
 
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There's a substantial difference between having an emergency preparedness kit and carrying what the OP calls an "EDC", i.e.

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"EDC" simply means everyday carry; it's what you have in your pockets or securely attached to your clothing or body.
Biscuitpop and I have emergency preparedness provisions which include canned food, several gallons of water, provisions for our pet, and a battery charger for our electronic devices. Can't imagine securing these to our clothing or body.
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Old 05-04-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: SoCal desert
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It's fascinating to visit New Madrid. We did consider that but all projections say we'll feel it but it will have no major impact here in the very SW MO Ozarks. Still, stranger things have been known to happen (experienced a number of good ones in CA) so perhaps I'd be well advised to set that warning too. Of course, by the time NOAA sends the warning the quake will be over with and we'll be dealing with aftershocks.

What kind of interesting things happen in Wyoming?
Proximity to the Yellowstone caldera.
Boom.
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