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Old 05-31-2014, 11:49 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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What is that website? When I go there, it seems to be a site promoting investing in gold (?)
Whoops, so sorry, I thought I had checked it, the sharks attack again..... Merger of NGO = new URL:

Welcome - VSO International


Not that it is better than Peace Corp, it is an alternative which many retirees find fits them better. (And it is very nice to have great international team member representation.) going on an international assignment with other USA folks is not too enlightening.

Any international assignment is a significant 'stretch' of mind, will, and matter. The chance it will change your life is pretty high. Many folks are not quite ready for that type of change. Many thrive, but all of us at home and abroad can go on to accomplish significant things during retirement. I would stay away from job fairs, unemployment offices and blind resume mailing (as Minervah mentioned). That is a very slow way to get off your duff, At our age... SLOW is no longer just wasting time (as with a 20 yr old)... NOW it is wasting our LIFE!! OUR days are numbered (and not too high!).

You either get out and make it happen, or the train leaves the station! The choice and action is yours.
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Old 06-01-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Anchored in Phoenix
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The deal is that for boomers, we did not know it at the time but in the 70s and 80s when we became parents we did not know taxes and expenses would go up so high that we could not afford to save decently for retirement.

Some of us just happened not to become parents (myself) and can retire comfortably. I'm 55 and still working. Since I have no descendents I have to be sure to have long term care insurance and stay on top of my health - super optimize my nutrition, continue to exercise regularly, and see a doctor and dentist regularly (I get blood work done every 4 months).

Some of us HELOCed, thinking houses are our retirement plan. But Section 8 destroyed many neighborhoods. It destroyed the values in my parents' neighborhood. I happened on the right thing to do: Save in stock index funds for several decades and rent tiny apartments, drive old cars.

Now I'm thinking of spending hot summers away from the heat along the coast at VRBO houses.
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Old 06-01-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Rosa’s Cantina
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Some of us just happened not to become parents (myself) and can retire comfortably. I'm 55 and still working.

......Save in stock index funds for several decades and rent tiny apartments, drive old cars.
This is me except I'm almost 52. The part in bold has been my magic formula too. Wish I would have figured it out even younger.
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Old 06-01-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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... we did not know taxes and expenses would go up so high t... I happened on the right thing to do: Save in stock index funds for several decades and rent tiny apartments, drive old cars.

Now I'm thinking of spending hot summers away from the heat along the coast at VRBO houses.
My property taxes didn't skyrocket till slightly before I retired at age 49. They doubled every yr for 8 yrs and landed at $14,400/yr (~$1200/ month, which is FAR less than my medical premiums that went from $230/ month to $1700/ month in 3 yrs). So,,, within 5 yrs AFTER I retired I got smacked with ~$2500/ month in EXTRA FIXED costs.

I could skimp a little by getting an older car, but my daily driver is 38 yrs old and gets 50 mpg on free used cooking oil. (As it has for the last 30 yrs). This one cost me $35. Tough to 'downsize' my costs here.

BTW... a Summer place on the coast will not be very affordable from VRBO. (prime season). But there are lots of 'non-prime' places you can retreat and enjoy a cool summer for quite cheap. Homeaway.com, is yet another resource (great for international destinations)

Get an AK fishing job. Can make $30k in 6 weeks and it was pretty 'cool' most the time. Great perks too (all the Salmon you can eat (barf)). Many 'cool' places to hide out for the summer in PNW and Canada. MT and WY as well. Many WY city parks and fairgrounds allow free camping. http://freecampgrounds.com/

Over age 40? several choices of Hospitality guest home directories. ($10/ night world wide). Works for me for last 25+ yrs.

Avoid the job fair, just find a job while traveling. I frequently do this to better enjoy a locale for awhile.

I drop my name and number at the feed store and grain elevator and repair shops. Usually works for income + room and board. No job fair required (or desired).

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Old 06-01-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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Interesting topic...

IMO, there is a BIG difference between older people who lost their jobs and are seeking another in order to stay alive with food and shelter -- and those who are retired but are looking for P/T work to supplement their reiterment income--which is ADEQUATE for survival.

I'd like to see this discussion divided into two segments, each reflecting one of the two situations, as they are VERY different.

And I agree, it is very difficult for older workers to find full-time, decent paying jobs. There is definitely ageism alive and well in the job market (and in other parts of society, too, but that is a different topic).

What do we do about that -- this age discrimination? Maybe we seniors need to launch new businesses -- and then have seniors hiring seniors.
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Old 06-01-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Indeed various driving jobs present opportunities for retirees who need some money or just need something to do. However, isn't there an aspect of that which doesn't get discussed, namely the pay? How much do these driving jobs pay? I can't imagine it could be more than $15 or $20 per hour. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm right then that's a profoundly discouraging situation for anyone who lost a REAL job and actually needs or wants to make actual money. It has to be very depressing to be forced into working for $15 per hour.

On the other hand, if one just wants a bit more spending money, likes to drive, and needs something to do to get out of the house, all is well.
I don't know, the folks I've seen doing the driving were seniors, retired, I assume, but I didn't ask their reasons for taking these jobs. I know some seniors that take part time jobs do it to get out of the house, and see other people, and really don't care what they're paid, although the money certainly comes in handy. I really don't know how much those driving jobs pay- wouldn't surprise me to hear that they pay less than $15/hour.

I know of others who have had to take jobs because they couldn't make ends meet with their Social Security and whatever other income they might have had- often the SS is their only income-. Most of these folks I see around here would probably be happy with $15/hour, I think many of them make minimum wage. But you're right, IMO it is sad to have to see a senior citizen who's worked all his/her life, has health issues, or just plain age-related "weariness" have to take a job out of financial necessity.
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Old 06-01-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Did you expect this job to pay $70,000? Of course it's in that $15/hour range, maybe less in certain areas and certainly not a 40 hour week. The poster was describing a part time job to keep busy and make spending money, this was not a suggestion to replace a "real job".

I'm intrigued by this idea, I do want a job that keeps me moving as opposed to a Walmart greeter where the clock does not move and the feet hurt. How do you go about getting such a job? Do agencies place you?
That's what I was thinking. I'm not sure exactly how one would go about finding a "courier" or medical transport type job, other than maybe perusing through local want ads or Craig's list, or local online want ads, perhaps. But if I were looking for such a job, I'd think of all the businesses around who use couriers, ( like the big name pharmacies who advertise free delivery of prescription jobs, local medical clinics, surgery centers in areas with many seniors who offer transportation to their patients, clinical laboratories ((Quest comes to mind)) who have drivers that pick up patient specimens from doctor's offices and takes them to the lab, flower shops, and so on), and contact those businesses about possible courier transport jobs...
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Old 06-01-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Same experience here, even before the cancer/aftermath wiped out my ability to do "normal" work. I once went on an interview for a job at a local florist for a part-time front-desk job. Despite my having decades of horticultural experience, both as a gardener, writer and editor, you know who they ended up hiring? Some empty-headed twentysomething who wouldn't know a protea from a petunia, but she had long eyelashes and a short skirt, lol

Made me think of a couple of experiences my daughter has related in her job searches. She interviewed a couple years ago for a receptionist job at a nail salon. At that point she was applying for anything she could get, and was called for an interview. She said the owner told her that there had been over 50 applications for that job, any number of them were from people who'd lost teaching jobs, and someone who had an advanced degree, and she had no plans to contact any of them for an interview. My daughter was also overqualified and didn't get the job either- although she said she wasn't disappointed as the chemicals in the nail salon were doing a number on her asthma.

Another time she applied for a job at a local Quiznos. At the time they interviewed her, they also interviewed a young Hispanic woman who not only spoke no English, she didn't appear to have much of a clue as to how to navigate the sandwich line, or to serve customers. But guess who was hired for that job? My daughter didn't hear anything back from Quiznos, and the next time she stopped in to get a sandwich, there was the same woman standing behind the counter. One of the other workers there told my daughter that they were all sorry she hadn't been hired, but the owner wanted this other woman- who, even after more than a month on the job, still couldn't understand what customers wanted, or figure out how to make the sandwiches they asked for.

It's not just old age.....
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Old 06-01-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Made me think of a couple of experiences my daughter has related in her job searches. She interviewed a couple years ago for a receptionist job at a nail salon. At that point she was applying for anything she could get, and was called for an interview. She said the owner told her that there had been over 50 applications for that job, any number of them were from people who'd lost teaching jobs, and someone who had an advanced degree, and she had no plans to contact any of them for an interview. My daughter was also overqualified and didn't get the job either- although she said she wasn't disappointed as the chemicals in the nail salon were doing a number on her asthma.

Another time she applied for a job at a local Quiznos. At the time they interviewed her, they also interviewed a young Hispanic woman who not only spoke no English, she didn't appear to have much of a clue as to how to navigate the sandwich line, or to serve customers. But guess who was hired for that job? My daughter didn't hear anything back from Quiznos, and the next time she stopped in to get a sandwich, there was the same woman standing behind the counter. One of the other workers there told my daughter that they were all sorry she hadn't been hired, but the owner wanted this other woman- who, even after more than a month on the job, still couldn't understand what customers wanted, or figure out how to make the sandwiches they asked for.

It's not just old age.....
I read the various posts on several CD forums that deal with subjects relative to wages and jobs in general. The consensus among those on the right hand of things seems to be that a persons worth as a worker can and should be determined by the managerial class, no consideration is given with regard to that person's contribution to the all to often over the top profits being generated by low wages.

Why are foreigners and the young seen as attractive alternatives to older Americans? Money, subservient attitude, the ability to live in third world 14 to a house living conditions and don't forget the fear factor when it comes to asking for more money. Sounds good, right? Based on the reasons given for an acceptance of a low wage systemic construct I'd think that a lot of CD posters would see this situation as a form of job justice, but, they are also the biggest cryers when faced with the necessity of dealing with people who were chosen expressly for their "good qualities".

Older workers are from the era of hard work being an acceptable alternative to any assistance or living at a lower standard than would be necessary, many times they are the best candidate for the job but their wage expectations are seemingly out of line with the new thinking. When we as taxpayers are expected to assist our largest corporations with their employee compensation obligations you know something is wrong, the old saying that a person reaps what they sow is especially true in the case of low wages and foreigners being hired as something being defended............
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Old 06-01-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: From TX to VA
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Medical transport driver is a thought. Made me think of the retired guy I met one time who delivered my lost luggage to me from the airport- he had a car full of luggage that he was delivering in the area.
I have a friend who did that for almost two years. His job was to deliver luggage to airline passengers whose luggage didn't arrive with them. He worked evenings and nights and was paid by the bag, not by the hour. It paints a sad picture of airline efficiency that he was almost always busy - more so during tourist season. There were a couple of times he agreed to take some luggage down to the Outer Banks of NC. He was paid $70 a bag. He has a van and a car but he'd often use his van to transport surfboards.

Now how does an airline lose a surfboard?
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