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Old 06-01-2014, 02:38 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I read the various posts on several CD forums that deal with subjects relative to wages and jobs in general. The consensus among those on the right hand of things seems to be that a persons worth as a worker can and should be determined by the managerial class, no consideration is given with regard to that person's contribution to the all to often over the top profits being generated by low wages.

Why are foreigners and the young seen as attractive alternatives to older Americans? Money, subservient attitude, the ability to live in third world 14 to a house living conditions and don't forget the fear factor when it comes to asking for more money. Sounds good, right? Based on the reasons given for an acceptance of a low wage systemic construct I'd think that a lot of CD posters would see this situation as a form of job justice, but, they are also the biggest cryers when faced with the necessity of dealing with people who were chosen expressly for their "good qualities".

Older workers are from the era of hard work being an acceptable alternative to any assistance or living at a lower standard than would be necessary, many times they are the best candidate for the job but their wage expectations are seemingly out of line with the new thinking. When we as taxpayers are expected to assist our largest corporations with their employee compensation obligations you know something is wrong, the old saying that a person reaps what they sow is especially true in the case of low wages and foreigners being hired as something being defended............

I've been told by some of the Hispanic folks in Miami that it's fairly common for employers there ( which ones, I couldn't say, I'd imagine small, family run businesses, possibly anyone who thinks they can get away with it) to hire illegal immigrants for open jobs. The reasons they do this are so they can pay the immigrants less than minimum wages and no benefits, pay them under the counter with no income taxes, Social Security or other deductions, no workman's comp. And they figure the immigrants will not say anything, or report the employer to the Dept of Labor for these violations. I know there is an entire underground economy, many folks paid under the table like this in Miami, and I'm sure it's also true of other cities as well. And apparently they figure they can staff their businesses well enough to continue this practice....

IMO their reasons for hiring those to whom they can pay the lowest wages, whom they can control, in lieu of someone with more experience, who would be better for the health of the company, but who costs the employer more in wages, benefits goes along with the their goals of short term quarter to quarter profit. These goals have largely replaced the more traditional, conservative goals of ensuring the long term growth and financial health of the company.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:49 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I have a friend who did that for almost two years. His job was to deliver luggage to airline passengers whose luggage didn't arrive with them. He worked evenings and nights and was paid by the bag, not by the hour. It paints a sad picture of airline efficiency that he was almost always busy - more so during tourist season. There were a couple of times he agreed to take some luggage down to the Outer Banks of NC. He was paid $70 a bag. He has a van and a car but he'd often use his van to transport surfboards.

Now how does an airline lose a surfboard?
LOL, they sent the surfboards to Denver.

It's amazing how the airlines handle luggage- you'd assume yours gets on the plane with you, wouldn't you?
Not always, sometimes your luggage will go on an earlier flight to the same destination- or a later flight. If either your flight, or the flight carrying your luggage is delayed, cancelled or diverted somewhere else, wallah, lost luggage. Or at least luggage that doesn't arrive at your destination with you.

They're supposed to be able to track luggage so that when your luggage is somewhere else, they can see where it went. But that's only if it got that tracking sticker tied onto it, and the system is up and working. I've had luggage lost that was tracked as being in either of two places but they weren't sure which location- I never have figured that one out.

Between shuffling the luggage, shuffling flights and the close edge with which airlines are run these days- leaving few alternatives to handle overbooking, canceled flights for any reason, personnel or airline mechanical issues, you'd have to wonder how any luggage, or passenger gets to his destination, at least timely or without a hassle.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Another time she applied for a job at a local Quiznos. At the time they interviewed her, they also interviewed a young Hispanic woman who not only spoke no English, she didn't appear to have much of a clue as to how to navigate the sandwich line, or to serve customers. But guess who was hired for that job? My daughter didn't hear anything back from Quiznos, and the next time she stopped in to get a sandwich, there was the same woman standing behind the counter. One of the other workers there told my daughter that they were all sorry she hadn't been hired, but the owner wanted this other woman- who, even after more than a month on the job, still couldn't understand what customers wanted, or figure out how to make the sandwiches they asked for.

It's not just old age.....
Perhaps the employer received a 'Work Opportunity Tax Credit" for hiring the lady. Although WOTCs are used to encourage the hiring of veterans, they are also used to help reduce the welfare rolls.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: southern california
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its rough for the old and not rich. very important not to become one. the kids will not look out for you as you had planned you can forget that.
some employers do not discriminate as to age. welfare is one. high stress jobs cause a lot of on the job deaths, keeps the pension fund in good shape.
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Lakeland, Florida
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I think there is a good size segment of the older population, that can be very cruel and disrespectful to people their own age. Mainly those that have not felt the loss of a job as they get older. Or felt the pain of looking for jobs, and competing even for the most menial jobs. Whether it's politically correct or not I will say it. Many menial jobs go to immigrants first, and where you live on that subject has a big impact on whether you get hired or not.

The grey hair comments. The Unemployment Office in Massachusetts has mentioned to older people about the grey hair. They mentioned it so much that enough complaints came it for them to stop. Dying your hair is one thing, but if a job is so shallow in the looks dept (especially a job with little exposure beyond your work station) then the job isn't worth bothering with. Chances are even if you got hired, there would be a problem with an employer that shallow.
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Lakeland, Florida
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I went to a Job Fair today for people who are looking to work past 60 years old. What a depressing event!

There were loads of bitter depressed people who were pushed out of their employer in their 50s who were looking for something to supplement their retirement income and get out the house and be paid for it doing something interesting and important and few of them have had any success.

Many blamed the immigrant explosion for the tough job market. They complained in the interactive seminars that employers would rather hire a young immigrant than someone over 60 for part time jobs.

Others blamed age discrimination and told them as soon as they showed up and the employer saw their grey hair they were quickly dispatched.

How many of you are happy to be retired but would love a great part time job for a little extra income cut have not got anywhere getting one?

Well all I can say is this. What would you have these people do. Dance an Irish *** and a Pot of Gold would appear with jobs for everyone. These people are most likely hurting and have been for some time. I assume the people you are referring to lost jobs in their older years. They are just not seniors who have retired from employers but want to work part time now. Losing a job in your 50's or early 60's must be terrible. I saw what it did to my brother in Law, when he lost his at 60 after 25 years with his company. It destroyed him since he was not old enough to collect SS, or get any type of retirement at that age. Of course the people you saw at that job fair have things to say. They have also entered the part of life, where many start to feel isolated. I would have let them talk. Perhaps you are just looking for work at your age now, and did not go what they are going thru. If not consider yourself very lucky.
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:09 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Perhaps the employer received a 'Work Opportunity Tax Credit" for hiring the lady. Although WOTCs are used to encourage the hiring of veterans, they are also used to help reduce the welfare rolls.
Purely doing his civic duty, eh? Certainly not hiring someone who would be an asset to his business, or so it appeared.....
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:21 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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[quote=Jimrob1;35050836]I think there is a good size segment of the older population, that can be very cruel and disrespectful to people their own age. Mainly those that have not felt the loss of a job as they get older. Or felt the pain of looking for jobs, and competing even for the most menial jobs. Whether it's politically correct or not I will say it. Many menial jobs go to immigrants first, and where you live on that subject has a big impact on whether you get hired or not.

The grey hair comments. The Unemployment Office in Massachusetts has mentioned to older people about the grey hair. They mentioned it so much that enough complaints came it for them to stop. Dying your hair is one thing, but if a job is so shallow in the looks dept (especially a job with little exposure beyond your work station) then the job isn't worth bothering with. Chances are even if you got hired, there would be a problem with an employer that shallow.[/quote

I can't resist saying this. If I were looking for a job, as far as I am concerned it would be a job where they'd have to take me based on my experience, wisdom, and work ethic, NOT on the color of my obviously dyed for the occasion hair.

I'm not looking for a job. Although I am retired, from the last full time job I had, I also do some contract work as an educational consultant for a medical continuing education company- I work at home, it's all done via computer and internet, with a phone call and snail mail occasionally.. the folks I work for don't even know what I look like, LOL, and they don't care. They just know I've done good work for them for the last 15 years, and hope I'll continue until they are ready to retire.
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Old 06-01-2014, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Purely doing his civic duty, eh? Certainly not hiring someone who would be an asset to his business, or so it appeared.....
Civic duty? Ha ha. Last year, "[t]he maximum tax credit range[d] from $1,200 to $9,600, depending on the employee hired."

Work Opportunity Tax Credit

Nevertheless, I have to admit that I would favor hiring a veteran or another member of a disadvantaged group, i.e., welfare recipient or the elderly.
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Old 06-01-2014, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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Indeed various driving jobs present opportunities for retirees who need some money or just need something to do. However, isn't there an aspect of that which doesn't get discussed, namely the pay? How much do these driving jobs pay? I can't imagine it could be more than $15 or $20 per hour. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm right then that's a profoundly discouraging situation for anyone who lost a REAL job and actually needs or wants to make actual money. It has to be very depressing to be forced into working for $15 per hour.

On the other hand, if one just wants a bit more spending money, likes to drive, and needs something to do to get out of the house, all is well.
I would love a job like this even at $9.00 / hr if they covered expences such as fuel, mid range motel and the expense to get home.

I'm still working and plan to do so for at least two more years then who knows?

I have always enjoyed long drives once driving from Columbus, Ohio to Lovelock, Nevada non-stop.
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