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Here in CA I'd say at least half the drivers either don't know, or flagrantly violate, the rights-of-way at 4-way stops. Here is one of the more extreme examples:
Ha ha. When I was in my 20's I was pulled over by a MD State Police Trooper who told me I ran a stop sign. I disagreed. He next told me I had made a "California" stop. Huh? He then described it as a rolling stop. Thirty-five years later, thanks to your youtube link, I now know why he referred to it as a California stop.
Here in CA I'd say at least half the drivers either don't know, or flagrantly violate, the rights-of-way at 4-way stops. Here is one of the more extreme examples:
So if they violate the right of way at 4-way stops, don't they do the same at roundabouts? It was generally Californians ignoring that it was my turn to enter and rushing at me in their black Lexus SUVs at the Oregon roundabouts.
I'm 56, and avoid them like the plague, not because *I* don't know what to do, but because most of the other clueless drivers (not sure what the age distribution is) have no idea what to do.
I'm 56, and avoid them like the plague, not because *I* don't know what to do, but because most of the other clueless drivers (not sure what the age distribution is) have no idea what to do.
^^Exactly! It's the drivers who fail to yield to those already in the roundabout that are the issue.
I'm 56, and avoid them like the plague, not because *I* don't know what to do, but because most of the other clueless drivers (not sure what the age distribution is) have no idea what to do.
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^^Exactly! It's the drivers who fail to yield to those already in the roundabout that are the issue.
I don't see any "issue" per se. Not all drivers do the right thing, whether it is in traffic circles or in other situations. Therefore we remain alert and ready to respond appropriately (and I do NOT mean with the middle finger, although that is sometimes tempting) to the mistakes of others.
So if they violate the right of way at 4-way stops, don't they do the same at roundabouts? It was generally Californians ignoring that it was my turn to enter and rushing at me in their black Lexus SUVs at the Oregon roundabouts.
So, what is your understanding of when it is "your turn" to enter a roundabout?
I don't see any "issue" per se. Not all drivers do the right thing, whether it is in traffic circles or in other situations. Therefore we remain alert and ready to respond appropriately (and I do NOT mean with the middle finger, although that is sometimes tempting) to the mistakes of others.
I got a middle finger today.
The other driver failed to even brake at a stop sign, somehow that was my fault.
I don't see any "issue" per se. Not all drivers do the right thing, whether it is in traffic circles or in other situations. Therefore we remain alert and ready to respond appropriately (and I do NOT mean with the middle finger, although that is sometimes tempting) to the mistakes of others.
IF drivers entering a roundabout yield to those drivers already in the roundabout, that would eliminate issues relating to my comment. I have encountered numerous 'incoming' drivers not yielding while I was in a roundabout and there have been many 'near' misses (thankfully no crashes so far).
Drivers in the roundabout may cause an accident if they're needing to quickly move to the outside lane, or vice versa, and aren't careful about avoiding other drivers.
The secret to success is to drive defensively. I can almost always predict who will fail to yield a right-of-way, proper protocol at 4-way stops, run a stop sign, cut in front of me on an interstate, etc. I plan for those abysmal or ignorant behaviors and avoid them. So far, so good; especially here where road rage is a veritable unknown. I don't mind yielding to those who drive badly because my reaching my destination is a much better bet than theirs. Life is too precious to rush to your death.
Just yesterday I was behind an out-of-state flatlander and upon approaching a roundabout, sure enough, she didn't know how to proceed. But after a lengthy pause she finally figured out when she could get going again. Beautiful scenery at the site made the short wait very pleasant.
The secret to success is to drive defensively. I can almost always predict who will fail to yield a right-of-way, proper protocol at 4-way stops, run a stop sign, cut in front of me on an interstate, etc. I plan for those abysmal or ignorant behaviors and avoid them. So far, so good; especially here where road rage is a veritable unknown. I don't mind yielding to those who drive badly because my reaching my destination is a much better bet than theirs. Life is too precious to rush to your death.
Just yesterday I was behind an out-of-state flatlander and upon approaching a roundabout, sure enough, she didn't know how to proceed. But after a lengthy pause she finally figured out when she could get going again. Beautiful scenery at the site made the short wait very pleasant.
The problem at 4 way stops from what I've seen is not over aggressive drivers, it's divers who are too polite. The inefficiency comes when nobody goes, everyone waits for the other guy. Drives me crazy.
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He next told me I had made a "California" stop. Huh? 
He then described it as a rolling stop. Thirty-five years later, thanks to your youtube link, I now know why he referred to it as a California stop. 
