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Old 08-09-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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Why doesn't AARP or any big organizations out there that claim to support the seniors ...do something to really make a difference for seniors across the U.S....not just in some States, not just...occasionally, and whenever businesses out there feel like it...but for all times? I am a member of AARP...and so far, the only thing I've ever gotten is solicitation from them to buy this insurance, subscribe to this or that. I just received my renewal notice...I am not renewing.
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because they are only after the money, your money, advertising money, lobbying money, etc
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Why doesn't AARP or any big organizations out there that claim to support the seniors ...do something to really make a difference for seniors across the U.S....not just in some States, not just...occasionally, and whenever businesses out there feel like it...but for all times? Convince politicians in Congress to come with with a one-nation senior program that's good anywhere you go within the U.S.

Let me site an example...a real one: I visited a so-called third-world country in the Far East some years ago. I was already a senior at that time. I met an old friend ...who was a District Councilor of the town where I was staying at...who happened to be in charge of the Office of Senior Citizen Affairs. He explained to me how the senior citizen program works there. They issue a picture I.D. to those who meet the age (60 over there) and other prescribed criteria. The holder of such senior I.D. is entitled to:
-Free medical and dental services in government establishments;
-Exemption from payment of individual income taxes;
-20% discount from all establishments that provide transportation services (bus, rail, ferry, air, etc), hotels (all hotels in the country), and other similar lodging establishments, restaurants (all) and recreational facilities;
-20% off admission fees charged by theaters, cinemas, concert halls, carnivals, and other similar
places of culture, leisure and amusement;
-20% discount towards the purchase of medicines (prescription & OTC) at any pharmacy in the nation.

The card doesn't have an expiration date.

Now why is it that a third world country, deemed a poor country...can provide such a great service to their senior citizens? Yet, our country, the richest in the world can't....and has to rely on handouts and kindness of private organizations...and only when they're bound to get something (big) in return? What do senior citizens get? A dollar off...here and there...and only when the establishment deems it profitable to them.
Someone explain to me this huge discrepancy in how this great and rich nation of ours treat senior citizens.

I am a member of AARP...and so far, the only thing I've ever gotten is solicitation from them to buy this insurance, subscribe to this or that. I just received my renewal notice...I am not renewing.
Government controlled heath care: is that what you want? Do you have any idea how good or bad their care might be; you said it is a 3rd world country right?

We do have a dept of aging and we do have benefits for seniors depending on where you live. We also have taxes more people can afford. Do you want your kids to be taxed to the hilt so we can get more government assistance? I am very happy with what we have; one thing is called medicare...most of us also have a supplement to it or we have advantage. Most of us live in communities that offer senior discounts, senior centers, discounted food or free foods from food banks for seniors that can't afford to eat healthy. I could go on and on. About the only thing I do wish we had is, better long term care at rates we can afford through medicare. Right now, people needing to put a spouse in a long term care facility can be wiped out financially in months. I know, there is insurance to cover part of the cost of long term care, but the premiums are outrageous and even then do not cover anywhere near all the costs.

I see in another one of your posts you talk about low income seniors: low income anybody here in America do have assess to a lot more than the middle class. Middle class America has worked hard and saved for retirement and yet they are the ones, if anyone that needs more help.

Now. let me also ask you what more would you want our government to give you? We, as seniors do get a lot of discounts. have you considered moving to this 3rd world country that offers seniors so much? You seem to think our government can find the money to give more people more free stuff: have you checked the condition of our government lately?

I now see you are talking about the Philapines: have you been on a cruise ship in the past 5 years or so?? do you realize how many of the crew are from the Philapines and are working on ships because they can not find jobs at home that pay enough to support their families? Are you aware of how many doctors in places like the island are practicing here because of the better facilities? Not all is what it appears to be.

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Old 08-09-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I will add one more thing; hubby and I are not rich, but probably at the lower end of middle class. We get a decent SS and I get a very small retirement. We do have a small house payment (we were lucky, when we moved here we had a very large down payment) We have also invested so have a little bit of extra we use for an occasional vacation or emergency. yes, we have to watch our pennies; we went down to one car about a year ago and we rarely eat out. Like most seniors we don't buy a lot of stuff. We manage to keep our heads above water and do not feel we are lacking in any of our needs.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:50 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Amen, brother Pilgrim! In the aggregate seniors do not need any special assistance - they (we) are doing fine. And I do not mean just the perhaps unrepresentative sample of posters on this Retirement Forum. When you look at national statistics by age group, whether it is net worth, family income, or other metric, seniors as a group are really O.K.

So, some posters take that fact that some seniors are struggling and wish to create a draconian national program to benefit "seniors" in general, as if there were some problem with seniors in general. The sense of outrage is totally misplaced, and the whining is tiring.
Agree.

Now, where I live, if you are on welfare, you get free bus passes. I have no idea if such arrangements are available for seniors specifically.

Most restaurants operate on a very small margin. That would be outrageous to expect PRIVATE businesses to give a 20% discount to anyone over 65. Good grief. Many voluntarily have programs such as - order before 5 pm and get a 10% senior discount . . . or order off a special reduced price menu . . . but expecting retailers to automatically give someone a discount just b/c they had attained a certain age - ridiculous.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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A reminder THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH, someone else is going to pay for it someway and some how. As far as mandated business discounts a reminder share holders are people also with a real need to be able to earn on their investments for their own life support.
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Old 08-09-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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The bottom line is that the political climate in the US is not favorable toward helping the less fortunate, be they seniors or not.
Many other countries have a different attitude about this.
And that historical attitude is now bearing a different fruit of debt and economic stagnation. As much in the way of current wealth is being used to finance debt and not growth. It is not always political or ideological but often just accepting reality even if it is cold and not what we would have preferred.
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Old 08-09-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: SoCal desert
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A reminder THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH
Nitpick - correct quote is ...
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch ... Author Robert Heinlein
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Old 08-09-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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Nitpick - correct quote is ...
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch ... Author Robert Heinlein
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I was quoting the world class economist Milton Friedman who wrote the following titled "There's no Such Thing as a Free Lunch"

There's No Such Thing as a Free Lunch: Milton Friedman: 9780875482972: Amazon.com: Books

Friedman was noted for using the phrase in speeches and lectures explaining the alternative/trade off costs of government spending policies etc etc.

His teachings and the referenced expression is a core belief of many people who quote it and him frequently.
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Old 08-09-2014, 02:52 PM
 
Location: SoCal desert
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I was quoting the world class economist Milton Friedman who wrote the following titled "There's no Such Thing as a Free Lunch"

There's No Such Thing as a Free Lunch: Milton Friedman: 9780875482972: Amazon.com: Books

Friedman was noted for using the phrase in speeches and lectures explaining the alternative/trade off costs of government spending policies etc etc.

His teachings and the referenced expression is a core belief of many people who quote it and him frequently.
True. From 1975.
Heinlein? 1966

But it all boils down to you can't get something for nothing. Which was your original point.
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Old 08-09-2014, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Dover, DE
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No they don't. It's pretty much the same set up as in the U.S. The government got with all the businesses and other service providing establishments and laid out the plan with them...and I'm sure pleaded with them...and they all agreed to do it! It may not work as well in the U.S. because our entire economy is greed-driven. I seriously doubt if you can get all the business establishments in the nation to cooperate. It works well in that 3rd world country apparently...and businesses are thriving even with the whopping 20% discount given to eligible seniors. Remember now...not all seniors are eligible. They have to meet a prescribed income level. So only those in the direst needs get the benefits. Makes sense, I think.
Unanimity among the businesses and the government in this instance is likely due to the very nature of their culture. Seniors, elders...are highly revered and respected. I felt it when I was visiting there. Children...and everyone younger than me...would address me with the appropriate honorific title they normally use to address all elders; serve me first, let me in the house or establishment first...and cater to my needs first before the others. I am sure this was a factor in getting all businesses to participate in the program. That's why I seriously doubt if this kind of program would work in the U.S. Seniors in this country...for the most part, are considered a burden..and simply committed to a senior facility/home when that time comes. Seniors have become a pariah in their own country. That is so sad.
Reading this reminded me of a line that Sonny says in "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel". He says that he wants to make a place where older people are respected and says something to the fact that it's not only in England but there are many other countries where old people aren't wanted or liked. It truly is very sad. All I hear on some of these boards is complaining about parents and grandparents, or whining about people getting Medicare and SS, or if people can't support themselves, well too bad, they should go off and die. Too bad I won't be around when these whiners and complainers get old themselves. Not like they can prevent it!

That being said, I try to take advantage of what little discounts we can find. They appear to be getting fewer and smaller, but I figure something is better than nothing. Here are a few places you can find some of them:

Senior Discounts - 196 Discounts Just for Seniors

Senior Discount Directory

I also sign up for all the e-clubs/loyalty cards from various restaurants and usually get a free "something" around my birthday and coupons now and then. I also know there is some kind of pass that you can sign up for entrance to national parks.

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