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Old 08-16-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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What I'm trying to get across is that the boomer generation tends to belief things are similar to 'their time'. They believe the generation X or generation Y are not successful because of a lack of motivation or drive.
It's not true.
That is an awfully broad generalization . . . "Boomers believe."

I have a son 30 years old. I am fully aware how things have changed. Not all of us are stuck in 1970.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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I have a great deal of difficulty sympathizing with that poster at all.

People who graduated from college 35 years ago, graduated during the time this country was at its economic height. IMO, If they couldn't find a decent career for themselves and make it under those conditions, they never had a chance of succeeding at all. The only people I exempt from this statement would be those with some type of mental or physical disability. I certainly don't include laziness, ordinary depression, or poor self esteem in those categories.

When it comes to politics, I am quite liberal and I can find sympathy for many people. However, liberalism has a weakness and that weakness is that it fails to take into account the fact that there are some people that really don't try and make an effort. There are people in this world who don't have any drive or ambition. Their sole goal is to get through life doing as little work as they possibly can. They don't want to do anything that might cause them stress, or would require them to learn new skills. They often are rather anti-social and they don't understand that meeting and communicating with new people is a critical skill to succeeding.

I suppose the advantage to "flipping burgers" is that you don't have to think very much to do it. Its a job where you can just sort of tune out everything, but the meat. As long as you don't burn it, you get to keep your job and bring home some sort of meager pay check.

Sorry, my sympathy goes to the truly disabled, the young generations today trying to find a way forward in a very competitive world, and to those who have been actual victims of discrimination based on the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, or their gender. We should never forget those groups and sometimes they should get our assistance. However, there is a great need to "weed out" the deserving from the non-deserving.
Amen.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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That is an awfully broad generalization . . . "Boomers believe."

I have a son 30 years old. I am fully aware how things have changed. Not all of us are stuck in 1970.
Misquote. I said "boomers tend to believe."

You can change the whole meaning by removing one word.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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I am really confused by many of the comments in this thread. Am I really reading that people are saying that woman and minorities had it easier in 1965 than they do today in finding employment and salaries? Career paths? Is this revisionist history at work? Millennials and Boomers include a wide range of people so be careful about comparing fruits when some are apples and others oranges.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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I am really confused by many of the comments in this thread. Am I really reading that people are saying that woman and minorities had it easier in 1965 than they do today in finding employment and salaries? Career paths? Is this revisionist history at work? Millennials and Boomers include a wide range of people so be careful about comparing fruits when some are apples and others oranges.
In today's world it's men that are the oppressed, not women.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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I have a great deal of difficulty sympathizing with that poster at all.

People who graduated from college 35 years ago, graduated during the time this country was at its economic height. IMO, If they couldn't find a decent career for themselves and make it under those conditions, they never had a chance of succeeding at all. The only people I exempt from this statement would be those with some type of mental or physical disability. I certainly don't include laziness, ordinary depression, or poor self esteem in those categories.

When it comes to politics, I am quite liberal and I can find sympathy for many people. However, liberalism has a weakness and that weakness is that it fails to take into account the fact that there are some people that really don't try and make an effort. There are people in this world who don't have any drive or ambition. Their sole goal is to get through life doing as little work as they possibly can. They don't want to do anything that might cause them stress, or would require them to learn new skills. They often are rather anti-social and they don't understand that meeting and communicating with new people is a critical skill to succeeding.

I suppose the advantage to "flipping burgers" is that you don't have to think very much to do it. Its a job where you can just sort of tune out everything, but the meat. As long as you don't burn it, you get to keep your job and bring home some sort of meager pay check.

Sorry, my sympathy goes to the truly disabled, the young generations today trying to find a way forward in a very competitive world, and to those who have been actual victims of discrimination based on the color of their skin, their sexual orientation, or their gender. We should never forget those groups and sometimes they should get our assistance. However, there is a great need to "weed out" the deserving from the non-deserving.

??? The Rust Belt during the Carter recession was at its economic height??? Fully two-thirds of new college graduates were fleeing the state to look for jobs elsewhere. Out-of-state Sunday newspapers were big sellers as people hoped to find jobs elsewhere especially Houston at the time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs-of-state
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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In today's world it's men that are the oppressed, not women.
Ohhh so is this about Men and any particular race in particular? Wouldn't that mean it really isn't about Boomers v Millennials?
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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You bring up a very good point and one that isn't discussed nearly enough. I call it the 'in my day' crowd.

In my day I worked my way through college and graduated with no debt.
In my day I bought a house by scrimping and saving and now I own it free and clear.
In my day I worked my way up the corporate ladder by working hard and showing up everyday.

Etc etc…
In my day was before we saw double digit price inflation of college, healthcare, food, and housing (without corresponding increases in wages). In your day they had pensions, job security, and opportunity.
Your day has come and gone.

People still do this...

We hired two nurses this year... both were military at age 18 and both used the GI Bill to go and get their RN degrees...

They didn't incur any significant debt and both bought homes in the SF Bay Area... at the unbelievable interest rates under 4%... nothing like the 14% mortages folks had to pay back in the 1980's... I''m sure they are glad of that!

You are right in that the Hospital we all work for does not offer a pension... yet there is a lot of job security for for experienced nurses...

Another young couple I know are both the first to graduate college in their family... they were high school sweethearts... he is African American and her family is from the Philippines... they both had job offers before graduation and together at age 25 earn a combined income over 200k

He is a SF Bay Area police officer and she is a Registered Nurse...
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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Reading about something isn't the same as evidence of correlation. And correlation is not causation. So you have a long road before you if you want to make that into a legitimate point.
It's called statistics.
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I don't have a problem with things being that way, but it isn't the way it is. Having children is both a responsibility and an entitlement, even if you or I don't like it.
No, it's not an entitlement. Other people (via government) aren't responsible to take care you and your children.
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That's a nonsensically corrupt way of expressing what is being discussed. If you cannot discuss the matter with integrity, there's not much reason to believe that you'll acknowledge answers to what you've posted with integrity.

This is a society. There is such thing as civic responsibility - the responsibility for society (not individuals) to make up for society's own failures to give everyone the opportunity to pay their own and and secure their own future. Even if they're old and poor and you don't really care about them, yourself.
Don't give me your high horse " integrity" BS. Civil responsibility is also being responsible for one's actions first as well, and not burdening others with their own irresponsible actions. Otherwise you're just living in an, and what we have, entitlement society. Expecting others to clean up your mess and pay for it is not civil responsibility. Poverty isn't solved by government or handouts. If it were, we wouldn't still have it after spending trillions upon trillions decades later. It's common sense..."Wait, I can barely afford, financially and mentally, to take care of myself. Should I have a baby (or babies) on top of that?" We have evolved into a society that is always, "Woe Me," and everyone gets a sticker or prize just for "competing." We all have our problems, disadvantages, ect...but many of us don't go around blaming others for it. We just get on with it and try to make our way on our own.

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Old 08-16-2014, 01:39 PM
 
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I think that was well said. lots of points i fully agree with.
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