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Old 01-10-2015, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by Escort Rider View Post
Also good point about the state income tax. I have emphasized in previous posts that the state income tax structure is very progressive. So while the top rate is indeed horrendous (highest in the nation if I recall correctly), that top rate applies to the portion of one's income exceeding one million dollars. At more modest levels of income, the Calif. income tax is similar to the bite of most other states with income taxes.
For example, a single person with $51,000 of taxable income (~$55,000 total) pays $2,252 or about 4.4%.
https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2014/14_540bk.pdf

Looking at the rate structure:

Tax Bracket
(Single) Tax Rate Tax on $51k
$0+ 1.00% $ 76
$7,582+ 2.00% $208
$17,976+ 4.00% $407
$28,371+ 6.00% $648
$39,384+ 8.00% $815
$49,774+ 9.30% $ 98
$254,250+ 10.30%
$305,100+ 11.30%
$508,500+ 12.30%
$1,000,000+ 13.30%
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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I just do not want to live in a fog belt. Or feel like my feet are becoming webbed with all the rain.

Nice place to visit - but nope on moving there. We didn't even go to Portland - because we know it is so very over-hyped.
We Oregon natives love to see posts like this!
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Old 01-10-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque NM
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The recession was in high gear in Bend. Unemployment was something like 16%. Lots of businesses were shuttered. It was a really creepy feeling. Then you go to the ski resorts there and the rich pander about like nothing is wrong.

I nixed Bend for the simple reason that it's out in the middle of NOWHERE. Yes, it is beautiful..... but I need connections to real civilization that I can get to in short order.
Bend may be slightly isolated but I would not call it the middle of nowhere. The Bend MSA has a population of close to 200K which is very appealing to me coming from a southwestern city that has grown too large for my tastes and will grow to 1M in the next 20 years. And being a resort area means there are more activities in Central Oregon than in other areas with that population (think Amarillo). Portland is only 3 hours away and you can get to the coast in 3 1/2 hours and the route is over the mountains which I find to be a beautiful drive. In the winter I plan to just stay put or snowbird in the southwest. The recession was hard on Bend as there is little industry but things have picked up. There is still a gulf between the haves and the have nots. But that is common almost everywhere even in areas that do have lots of industry - I especially notice it when I travel to the California coast or affluent areas in the east (lots of wealthy people "pandering" about).

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Old 01-10-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Originally Posted by CSRSJim View Post
For example, a single person with $51,000 of taxable income (~$55,000 total) pays $2,252 or about 4.4%.
https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2014/14_540bk.pdf

Looking at the rate structure:

Tax Bracket
(Single) Tax Rate Tax on $51k
$0+ 1.00% $ 76
$7,582+ 2.00% $208
$17,976+ 4.00% $407
$28,371+ 6.00% $648
$39,384+ 8.00% $815
$49,774+ 9.30% $ 98
$254,250+ 10.30%
$305,100+ 11.30%
$508,500+ 12.30%
$1,000,000+ 13.30%
Thanks. You did what I was too lazy to do - an actual example and calculation to illustrate my point. For sure Calif. income tax is high, but it is not that much higher than many other states unless one's income is way up there.
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Old 01-11-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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And those Californians worry me. They have all but changed CO, trying to make it what is was in CA.
That appears to be a not uncommon circumstance with many Califoreigners. Some go into withdrawal when they realize they're not able to access Trader Joe's, Whole Foods and In-N-Out Burger and don't last long. We had some neighbors here from California just like that. It seemed that at least once a month they spent a long weekend in Kansas city because they needed a large city fix and they certainly weren't going to find it here in the Ozarks.

It always amazes me when people cite a myriad of reasons for leaving a place, any place, they were living then want to turn the state to which they move into a mirror image of from whence they came. Why bother? Makes no sense to me.

We don't recommend it.
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Old 01-11-2015, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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That appears to be a not uncommon circumstance with many Califoreigners. Some go into withdrawal when they realize they're not able to access Trader Joe's, Whole Foods and In-N-Out Burger and don't last long. We had some neighbors here from California just like that. It seemed that at least once a month they spent a long weekend in Kansas city because they needed a large city fix and they certainly weren't going to find it here in the Ozarks.

It always amazes me when people cite a myriad of reasons for leaving a place, any place, they were living then want to turn the state to which they move into a mirror image of from whence they came. Why bother? Makes no sense to me.

We don't recommend it.
People get used to certain amenities, but you also have to conform to the norms of the area you're in. There is a thread going in the Nashville forum where someone is coming to a conservative Nashville suburb from NYC and wanting liberal schools. Just stupid.
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Old 01-11-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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People get used to certain amenities, but you also have to conform to the norms of the area you're in. There is a thread going in the Nashville forum where someone is coming to a conservative Nashville suburb from NYC and wanting liberal schools. Just stupid.
Not stupid. There are more of us here than you think.....

And why move? Some us were moved for work and we want to replicate what we had until we retire and go back to where we belong.
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Old 01-11-2015, 04:19 PM
mlb
 
Location: North Monterey County
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When we moved to Utah - there were no grocery stores open on Sunday much less those that are open 24/7.

Certain city parks discouraged play - on Sunday. Yes. You could not play baseball in certain city parks in Utah county.

Californians are the best thing to happen to Utah.

Welcome to America.
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Old 01-11-2015, 04:20 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Not stupid. There are more of us here than you think.....

And why move? Some us were moved for work and we want to replicate what we had until we retire and go back to where we belong.
That's a shame - all but the going back part.
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Old 01-11-2015, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Not stupid. There are more of us here than you think.....

And why move? Some us were moved for work and we want to replicate what we had until we retire and go back to where we belong.
If you're that unhappy, find another job and move to somewhere that suits you better. I don't care for east TN and I'm very conservative, but I like middle TN and upstate SC. I think a lot of New England is absolutely beautiful, but I certainly wouldn't go to MA or Chicago or some liberal spot and demand everything to be conservative. I'd just have to suck it up and deal with the liberalism.

The issue people like me have with people moving to nice parts of the South from liberal areas, citing high taxes, lack of growth, etc, then voting for politicians that want to implement the exact same ideas they ran from is that they want to change what they moved to to what they moved from.
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