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Old 02-19-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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I'm all for opting out of medical care if that's your own TRUE choice. In fact, I assiduously avoid the doctor myself (they do more harm than good these days, IMO) and would *never* opt for cancer treatment beyond simple excision; I firmly believe that both chemo and radiation kill more people than they save. However, that's MY choice. How many senior feel pressured by doctors (most of whom are followed blindly by patients cowed by authority), society, or even their own children -- not wanting to bankrupt the estate or "be a burden" -- to forego treatment that they in fact have ever right to should their wish be to pursue it?

The potential for coercion, age discrimination, and even the much-ridiculed slippery slope is very real and far too great to play around with. Continuing to live beyond a certain age will soon be considered the greatest act of selfishness and indignity. In a youth-worshipping culture, elders better be aware...
Where is your evidence of this "coercion?" You say there is real "potential." Well, one could state that there is potential for any outcome. The key is probability and evidence.

There has been no "slippery slope" here in Oregon after 17 years of physician assisted suicide. In fact, many people who obtain the lethal prescription end up not using it. There are safeguards against people being pressured and making sure it is their "own TRUE choice." But to be honest, if someone wants to consider in their decision process the care burden of their family or the financial impact of treating a terminal disease they should be allowed to do so. If they want to end their life by assisted suicide or by forgoing treatment and letting nature take its course... It is their life.

Prior to this law being passed in Oregon this decision was being made each year anyway by dozens of people suffering from illness who would (not wanting to be a burden) carry out their suicide in some horrific ways, not always successful. It was a terrible tragedy for all involved. No counseling, assessment or more compassionate options. Just shoot yourself in the garage.

The best result of passing this law (in my opinion) has been increased attention and more aggressive efforts in patient and family counseling, pain management and quality of life issues. Terminal patients are getting much more and better care and attention from their doctors, not less. That alone has made the law worth the controversy.
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Old 02-20-2015, 05:52 PM
 
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Where is your evidence of this "coercion?" You say there is real "potential." Well, one could state that there is potential for any outcome. The key is probability and evidence.

There has been no "slippery slope" here in Oregon after 17 years of physician assisted suicide. In fact, many people who obtain the lethal prescription end up not using it. There are safeguards against people being pressured and making sure it is their "own TRUE choice." But to be honest, if someone wants to consider in their decision process the care burden of their family or the financial impact of treating a terminal disease they should be allowed to do so. If they want to end their life by assisted suicide or by forgoing treatment and letting nature take its course... It is their life.

Prior to this law being passed in Oregon this decision was being made each year anyway by dozens of people suffering from illness who would (not wanting to be a burden) carry out their suicide in some horrific ways, not always successful. It was a terrible tragedy for all involved. No counseling, assessment or more compassionate options. Just shoot yourself in the garage.

The best result of passing this law (in my opinion) has been increased attention and more aggressive efforts in patient and family counseling, pain management and quality of life issues. Terminal patients are getting much more and better care and attention from their doctors, not less. That alone has made the law worth the controversy.

Excellent post. Unfortunately, those who don't want to believe it's for the better will not believe a word you posted.
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Old 02-20-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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Makes sense to us who would rather die on our own terms than in a healthcare facility.

Me, I'd vote for the beach with a Mai Tai in hand and a cute beach boy massaging my feet...
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Old 02-21-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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Where is it stated that you can't die on your own terms?
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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I would rather die in my own bed asleep at night or on my kitchen floor making dinner. No, no, NO hospital bed even if that meant they could keep me alive for months or even years in that state,

As my own Mom said in her Living Will, "I do not wish to become a Science Experiment so medicine can see how long they can keep my body alive." I agree. That is not living.
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Old 03-09-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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I would rather die in my own bed asleep at night or on my kitchen floor making dinner. No, no, NO hospital bed even if that meant they could keep me alive for months or even years in that state,

As my own Mom said in her Living Will, "I do not wish to become a Science Experiment so medicine can see how long they can keep my body alive." I agree. That is not living.
We ALL wish we could die in our sleep or just drop dead doing something pleasurable; it hardly ever happens thus.
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